heylinb4nz:jeffnz:a) been studying firearms law and history pro and anti, past and present for close to 6 yearsheylinb4nz:had about enough of the insults hurled at the Police and suggesting target shooters are better suited so can we get back on topic or just start another thread on your opinions of the Police v target shooters
The thread is about gun laws in New Zealand.
The police are at the forefront of dicking around with our laws (in a bad way). So in that sense no insults, they are useless when it comes to enforcing and administering firearms laws, they push for bad laws, they unlawfully make up laws....AND they are woeful undertrained and bad at shooting (compared to the people they target with their useless behaviour) If you were a firearms owner and had to deal with them at the level we do you would see that they are completely useless for everything other than issuing traffic tickets and breaking up the odd domestic.
being insulting again and based largely on your opinion unless you can show some facts that they are completely useless.
You sound like an authority on the Police and laws what are your qualifications to make such statements.
b) active member of various shooting organisations within NZ
c) been involved in submissions process on new laws AAB2 and AAB3
d) been on receiving end of bad law
e) dealings with numerous Arms officers
f) seen plenty of police and AOS training sessions \ qualifications at local club
g) media \ news (plenty of examples for public to see)
h) actively analyse flaws in NZ firearms law and bring to attention of Police
i) study of politics in NZ
j) study of United Nations mandates and agendas in regards to (Arms Trade Treaty and wider UN Agenda) Mabey its just my opinion, but I think my level of knowledge and first hand experiences are to the level where they could be considered factual. Its a big beast (even just the NZ system) but once you are involved in it, and study it, you realise its flaws. The average firearm owner barely goes deep enough to see the real truth.
I disagree with most of your assertions and strongly disagree with your claims that the police set firearms laws. NZ firearms law is among the best in the world. It is strict, fair, and well enforced. Like all laws, however, people break them. Unlawful possession and use occurs and no law change will change this.
If you want to know my qualifications for stating this, then here they are:
a) Been studying firearms law, effectiveness and enforcement past and present since I first became a licensed firearms owner in the 1990's;
b) Have been an active member of various shooting organisations and clubs both within NZ and internationally since the 1990's;
c) Founded FLAG (Firearms Legislation Action Group) in 1997 and toured the country holding public meetings informing people about the then proposed changes to firearms laws. Organised several hundred submissions and successfully lobbied for submission hearings to be held in Palmerston North to enable people from middle NZ to submit in person. Personally attended several city council meetings around the country to address councils and get them to drop plans for anti-gun bylaws. (A number of local government bodies were planning bylaw changes to make guns illegal in their areas - I believed, and still do, that this is a central government issue.)
d) I obey the law;
e) Dealings with several Arms officers, all of whom were good guys doing a good job;
f) Seen plenty of training sessions and know trainers;
I've travelled internationally to various shooting clubs and developed a sound understanding of firearms laws in different jurisdictions. Every country has illegal ownership/possession/use problems and its fair share of unhinged people. NZ is no different.