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MaxLV:networkn:MaxLV:networkn:
NO I wont sell my 'assets' few that they are, but neither do I begrudge a significant portion of my tax dollar going to help those less well off than I am. Why? because I KNOW that most of the tax that you, me, and every other tax payer in NZ pay subsidises yours and my lifestyle choices a damned site more than it does than those that are less well off than me. You're a bigger drain on the tax dollar than any beneficiary and their family will ever be! And you want to minimise the tax *YOU* pay?
Please explain your claims?
They're not claims. Do you even have a clue how the Government spends your tax dollar?
Yes I do, hence the question for an explanation from you.
If you have to ask, then you dont (have a clue how your tax dollar is spent)
Hint look at the annual budget the government tables in parliament each May. And then tell me how YOU PERSONALLY dont benefit from that budget.
“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996
I think the point I was getting at is that not all the kids without lunch are going hungry or have poverty-stricken families.
MaxLV:tardtasticx:nathan: Raise taxes off all these rich pricks and redistribute it too these poor families who cant say no to having more offspring even though they are already not well off
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not?
Raising the taxes won't benefit the poor at all. Sure it'll give some assistance in the short term but what about the future?
I'm studying full time right now, and trying to find work that has a super flexible schedule is near impossible with the amount of students wanting the same thing. But because my parents both earn over the top tax bracket, and pay over 1/3rd of their income to the government, I don't see a single cent of that as assistance from the govt/studylink. Parents can't afford to pay my gas to and from uni each day, or pay for rent closer to campus. I now have a near 40K student loan as a result, and all because I chose to get qualified and make something of my life. When I start working, I'll be paying tax which some will go to those who don't work. Then on top of that I have to pay back every single cent the government has given me.
I think instead of punishing those who chose to make something of themselves, we should be developing ways to get everyone qualifications, or start making community jobs to let those who are on benefits earn their way and maybe some more. That way people get work experience and skills under their belt to help make finding jobs easier, and hopefully start more businesses as a result.
And of course you believe you, and your parents are paying the *full* cost of your lifestyle choices dont you. You no doubt believe that you and your parents dont benefit in any way at all from the tax you do have to pay....
Dingbatt
Social welfare 33%
Health 21%
Education 18%
Government services 7%
Law and order 5%
Defence 3%
The rest 13%.
(I resisted the temptation to shout in capitals.) I have yet to find any evidence in the various posts you quote where people claim they get nothing for their taxes.
shk292:Dingbatt
Social welfare 33%
Health 21%
Education 18%
Government services 7%
Law and order 5%
Defence 3%
The rest 13%.
(I resisted the temptation to shout in capitals.) I have yet to find any evidence in the various posts you quote where people claim they get nothing for their taxes.
Actually Defence was 1.1% in 2012 (latest figure I could find); one of the lowest in the OECD. Bear that in mind if you're considering voting for a party that advocates both cutting defence spending and damaging alliances to friendly powers (eg GIMPs)
“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996
macuser: First I think the govt needs to define what a parents responsibilities are in a definitive way.
FOR EXAMPLE
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Non compliance results in unavoidable consequence for parents that somehow doesn't effect child (put on your thinking cap)
I don't think some folks understand what it takes to raise a healthy child, a fair bit of knowledge and effort is required to do it. New Zealand's she'll-be-right attitude means that we place bets on the future being better than the present without any future planning.
BarTender:
I agree raising children is an extremely difficult task, but if you are dealing with the lowest socioeconomic group within the country that is rapidly growing the tools to be better parents.
I don't see any of that going on right now at all.
charsleysa: So I see no one has really brought up the issue of what poverty means.
New Zealand has a pretty screwed definition of poverty.
From otago University :
"This is defined as having less than 60% of median household income, after housing costs are removed."
The median weekly income last year was $844, so that means if you have less than $506 remaining of your weekly income after housing costs you are classified as living in poverty.
tardtasticx: I never said we don't benefit in any way. We get some benefit but in no way are we getting our fair share. Most of my friends at uni get student allowance (like a benefit) every week.
KiwiNZ:charsleysa: So I see no one has really brought up the issue of what poverty means.
New Zealand has a pretty screwed definition of poverty.
From otago University :
"This is defined as having less than 60% of median household income, after housing costs are removed."
The median weekly income last year was $844, so that means if you have less than $506 remaining of your weekly income after housing costs you are classified as living in poverty.
We use the UN definition of poverty.
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