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  Reply # 1129910 16-Sep-2014 13:34
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  Reply # 1129912 16-Sep-2014 13:35
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KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid:
KiwiNZ:
frankv:
KiwiNZ: Ignoring for a minute the whole the subject matter, what annoys me the most is our election result could well be decided by people that have zero interest in this country, it's people, it's welfare, it's future. They will do a lot of damage and move on when they are bored with their play thing.


Actually, I think that (a) our election result is becoming increasingly irrelevant. The people we elect have little power compared to the big corporates. They will move on when they have milked us dry.



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Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table by foreign bullies if the cheque has enough zeros on the end.  It's no surprise that the United States is a great example of this very practice.


examples?


A relevant example would be the three strikes law. 

We were bullied by the United States in to passing this law on different levels so to speak.  It was also funded by the United States government, hence my comment above.





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  Reply # 1129915 16-Sep-2014 13:38
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ajobbins:  While KDC clearly has his own motives and agenda, that does not mean that any revelations that he has managed to produce are automatically invalid, as many people seem to be asserting. Take him out of the equation and think critically rather than writing all this (Same with Dirty Politics) off on technicalities.


They all have their own agendas. I don't trust Snowden. He (supposedly) made a point of working his way up and into areas within the NSA specifically to get to the information he wanted to get at. This to me indicates pre-meditated hacking. He (supposedly) then leaked confidential NSA targets to the Chinese whilst trying to grease the wheels of his stay in Hong Kong. That's got nothing at all to do with whistle blowing and everything to do with treason. 

I say 'supposedly' because no one freaking knows for sure. Some are happy to take him at his word, whilst others prefer to take JK at his word. That's the joy of democracy! People get to choose based on what they feel is right on the balance of a lack of any real evidence. 

Greenwald I know little about, suffice to say he exists largely on Snowden's information, so see above. 

KDC... well, yeah, nah. 


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  Reply # 1129918 16-Sep-2014 13:42
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I do have something to hide, I have a business and I communicate with my clients and we discuss ideas, business ideas, ideas that we don't want to end up in the hands of other people, especially competing companies.
Is that Ok ? Or should I shut my business down ?
I didn't know that dealing with another business meant I was doing something wrong. 
I'm staggered to hear that viewpoint from someone who works where you do, where there are thousands of businesses that pay your salary.


In your case I'd be more worried about industrial espionage than any thing the GCSB might see.

There's no need to shut your business down nor are you doing anything wrong. If you have sensitive communications you should be taking appropriate steps to keep them secure.

Years ago before electronic communications we had snail mail as the main the means of communication.  Why do you think companies and governments used in house mail, diplomatic couriers etc for sensitive mail? To prevent the info falling into the wrong hands.  It's no different today, it's just the technology that has changed.

I don't see JohnR's comments as staggering, he is just stating how it is for him.




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  Reply # 1129919 16-Sep-2014 13:44
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DravidDavid:
KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid:
KiwiNZ:
frankv:
KiwiNZ: Ignoring for a minute the whole the subject matter, what annoys me the most is our election result could well be decided by people that have zero interest in this country, it's people, it's welfare, it's future. They will do a lot of damage and move on when they are bored with their play thing.


Actually, I think that (a) our election result is becoming increasingly irrelevant. The people we elect have little power compared to the big corporates. They will move on when they have milked us dry.



Say what now


Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table by foreign bullies if the cheque has enough zeros on the end.  It's no surprise that the United States is a great example of this very practice.


examples?


A relevant example would be the three strikes law. 

We were bullied by the United States in to passing this law on different levels so to speak.  It was also funded by the United States government, hence my comment above.


So one piece of cooperative legislation to help resolve a real issue equates to "Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table" .... interesting




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  Reply # 1129922 16-Sep-2014 13:47
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JimmyC: 
I say 'supposedly' because no one freaking knows for sure. Some are happy to take him at his word, whilst others prefer to take JK at his word. That's the joy of democracy! People get to choose based on what they feel is right on the balance of a lack of any real evidence. 


Anecdotal, but from what I am reading, John Key is the first of any political leader to attempt to deny Snowden's revelations.

As I said, being that Snowden has a proven track record of not being wrong, I feel his word has far more weight than John "Don't remember" Key (or his "Office"). My opinion of course.




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  Reply # 1129923 16-Sep-2014 13:48
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KiwiNZ: 

So one piece of cooperative legislation to help resolve a real issue equates to "Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table" .... interesting


TPPA (Based on draft leaked text) is another example of this.

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  Reply # 1129925 16-Sep-2014 13:50
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KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid:
KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid:
KiwiNZ:
frankv:
KiwiNZ: Ignoring for a minute the whole the subject matter, what annoys me the most is our election result could well be decided by people that have zero interest in this country, it's people, it's welfare, it's future. They will do a lot of damage and move on when they are bored with their play thing.


Actually, I think that (a) our election result is becoming increasingly irrelevant. The people we elect have little power compared to the big corporates. They will move on when they have milked us dry.



Say what now


Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table by foreign bullies if the cheque has enough zeros on the end.  It's no surprise that the United States is a great example of this very practice.


examples?


A relevant example would be the three strikes law. 

We were bullied by the United States in to passing this law on different levels so to speak.  It was also funded by the United States government, hence my comment above.


So one piece of cooperative legislation to help resolve a real issue equates to "Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table" .... interesting


That was one relevant/recent example.  Anything else would of course, be off topic.  You should be fine though, Google does great with one liners.





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  Reply # 1129927 16-Sep-2014 13:51
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Recently screened in the UK. 





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  Reply # 1129929 16-Sep-2014 13:52
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DravidDavid:
KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid:
KiwiNZ:
DravidDavid:
KiwiNZ:
frankv:
KiwiNZ: Ignoring for a minute the whole the subject matter, what annoys me the most is our election result could well be decided by people that have zero interest in this country, it's people, it's welfare, it's future. They will do a lot of damage and move on when they are bored with their play thing.


Actually, I think that (a) our election result is becoming increasingly irrelevant. The people we elect have little power compared to the big corporates. They will move on when they have milked us dry.



Say what now


Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table by foreign bullies if the cheque has enough zeros on the end.  It's no surprise that the United States is a great example of this very practice.


examples?


A relevant example would be the three strikes law. 

We were bullied by the United States in to passing this law on different levels so to speak.  It was also funded by the United States government, hence my comment above.


So one piece of cooperative legislation to help resolve a real issue equates to "Government will sign, seal and deliver whatever policy is placed on their table" .... interesting


That was one relevant/recent example.  Anything else would of course, be off topic.  You should be fine though, Google does great with one liners.


I have stated previously that I keep my posts short as I type one handed and slowly due to disability.




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  Reply # 1129931 16-Sep-2014 13:54
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Snowden didn't exactly give much detail, e.g. from the Herald site
He almost let too many secrets out. One way the NSA intercept communications is via internet cables, and another is ... "we'll leave it there". The NSA have facilities in Auckland, one in Northland ... and we better leave it there.


Plenty of innuendo but not a lot of substance.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11325215 




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  Reply # 1129935 16-Sep-2014 14:02
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A wise man once said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

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  Reply # 1129940 16-Sep-2014 14:12
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ajobbins: 

Anecdotal, but from what I am reading, John Key is the first of any political leader to attempt to deny Snowden's revelations.

As I said, being that Snowden has a proven track record of not being wrong, I feel his word has far more weight than John "Don't remember" Key (or his "Office"). My opinion of course.


And if JK believes he's in the right, he should deny it irrespective of being the first or not. We were also the first to show the middle finger to the US and their nukes, so why not this if it's incorrect? 

A track record of not being wrong doesn't mean what he's done, or the way he's done it is in any way right. There are no reliable, credible sources in this entire sad ordeal. 

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  Reply # 1129951 16-Sep-2014 14:28
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BarTender: 

I can say it as many times as you want.... but you are choosing to ignore it. I AM NOT A POLITICAL PARTY SHILL FOR ANY PARTY.


I've clipped most of your rant because frankly it doesn't do you any favours.  The guts of it is you post anonymously, you post what are currently attack lines of political parties, you ignore salient points that contradict your argument (and therefore a political parties agenda), and when directly challenged you resort to one of two logical fallacies; an appeal to false authority or ad hominem.

If we are to accept that you have the best interests of the country in mind than we can expect to see an open mind and a desire for open dialogue.  You don't display either of those things.



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  Reply # 1129954 16-Sep-2014 14:29
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JimmyC:

And if JK believes he's in the right, he should deny it irrespective of being the first or not. We were also the first to show the middle finger to the US and their nukes, so why not this if it's incorrect?  


Absolutely. I was just pointing out that the inconsistency.

A track record of not being wrong doesn't mean what he's done, or the way he's done it is in any way right. There are no reliable, credible sources in this entire sad ordeal. 


Snowden is a proven reliable and credible source, as are Greenwald and Assange.

And before anyone writes them off as criminals (which they may or may not be), that does not detract from the fact that they have proven to be reliable sources of information.

You can break the law and also be a reliable source at the same time. You can break the law TO be a reliable source. In any case, if you are a reliable source, any crime you commit does not make automatically make any information you release unreliable or untrue.

Key has a far greater vested interest in lying, and no solid reputation as a reliable source than Snowden, Greenwald or Assange.

Why should Key be given the benefit of the doubt over the clearly more reliable sources?




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