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  Reply # 1134688 23-Sep-2014 16:25
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Hammerer: Forgot to say, my wife was told by a couple of white colleagues who wouldn't normally vote Mana that they will just because Hone Harawira is now the underdog in their eyes after the Moment of Truth was a fizzer.

I'm surprized any white person would consider voting Mana after   the site of some of Mana's supporters last week yelling and screaming on the TV news   "You're all a pack of racist"  to  a group of white people  who were standing there watching.. 


What amazed me was these Mana supporters were castigating John Key over thew Urewera raids, which took place before he was Prime Minister.  This tells me that they were there to protest for the sake of protesting and disrupting the visit rather than being there for a cause.  I would have been embarrassed if they were on my team. 




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  Reply # 1134692 23-Sep-2014 16:28
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gzt: To me it appeared he came here with the intention of doing his reporting. Despite appearances I doubt he had a personal mission to change the government which the article assumes.

Probably not, though the person who brought him most certainly did.

Agree. The article seems to miss that point entirely.

Technofreak: Though I don't think Greenwald is that dumb that he couldn't see his invitation to visit at that time as being political motivated and therefore designed to influence the election.

It's clear he was aware of it, but he did appear dumb enough to think he would not be perceived as taking sides in that. I think he was genuinely surprised at the personal attack from the prime minister on that basis.

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  Reply # 1134694 23-Sep-2014 16:30
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old3eyes:
Hammerer: Forgot to say, my wife was told by a couple of white colleagues who wouldn't normally vote Mana that they will just because Hone Harawira is now the underdog in their eyes after the Moment of Truth was a fizzer.

I'm surprized any white person would consider voting Mana after   the site of some of Mana's supporters last week yelling and screaming on the TV news   "You're all a pack of racist"  to  a group of white people  who were standing there watching.. 


What amazed me was these Mana supporters were castigating John Key over thew Urewera raids, which took place before he was Prime Minister.  This tells me that they were there to protest for the sake of protesting and disrupting the visit rather than being there for a cause.  I would have been embarrassed if they were on my team. 

I would like to view this item with the racist thing and the urewera thing. The ones I have seen (linked earlier) were different items.

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  Reply # 1134965 23-Sep-2014 21:15
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  Reply # 1135136 24-Sep-2014 06:28
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old3eyes:
Hammerer: Forgot to say, my wife was told by a couple of white colleagues who wouldn't normally vote Mana that they will just because Hone Harawira is now the underdog in their eyes after the Moment of Truth was a fizzer.

I'm surprized any white person would consider voting Mana after   the site of some of Mana's supporters last week yelling and screaming on the TV news   "You're all a pack of racist"  to  a group of white people  who were standing there watching.. 


What amazed me was these Mana supporters were castigating John Key over thew Urewera raids, which took place before he was Prime Minister.  This tells me that they were there to protest for the sake of protesting and disrupting the visit rather than being there for a cause.  I would have been embarrassed if they were on my team. 


I did not realise this. I mentioned to my partner last night and we almost lost our dinner laughing when we googled and confirmed it.

John Key must just roll his eyes and think "you idiots"

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  Reply # 1135142 24-Sep-2014 06:53
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Maybe John doesn't remember

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  Reply # 1136785 24-Sep-2014 17:46
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Haha... classic

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  Reply # 1136817 24-Sep-2014 18:23
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I'm still waiting for the next installment Greenwald was indicating prior to the election. He appeared to be saying that would show NZ using spytech to directly spy on local pacific neighbours for NZ interests.

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  Reply # 1138132 26-Sep-2014 11:49
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In case you were thinking that mass surveillance wont happen with a Labour government, both the centre right and the centre left parties in Australia voted it in yesterday: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/terror-laws-clear-senate-enabling-entire-australian-web-to-be-monitored-and-whistleblowers-to-be-jailed-20140925-10m8ih.html

Also interesting, besides this making the news all over the world, no mention of it on NZ mass media (stuff, herald). Only RadioNZ has a small article about it.

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  Reply # 1138166 26-Sep-2014 12:19
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testha: In case you were thinking that mass surveillance wont happen with a Labour government, both the centre right and the centre left parties in Australia voted it in yesterday: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/terror-laws-clear-senate-enabling-entire-australian-web-to-be-monitored-and-whistleblowers-to-be-jailed-20140925-10m8ih.html

Also interesting, besides this making the news all over the world, no mention of it on NZ mass media (stuff, herald). Only RadioNZ has a small article about it.


Could be a sign of things to come.  What's the bet we get hit by a "terrorist attack" to spawn another bill and gain the people's attention and support this time?





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  Reply # 1138233 26-Sep-2014 13:35
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testha: In case you were thinking that mass surveillance wont happen with a Labour government, both the centre right and the centre left parties in Australia voted it in yesterday: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/terror-laws-clear-senate-enabling-entire-australian-web-to-be-monitored-and-whistleblowers-to-be-jailed-20140925 -10m8ih.html

Also interesting, besides this making the news all over the world, no mention of it on NZ mass media (stuff, herald). Only RadioNZ has a small article about it.


The Labor party in Australia is more right wing than the NZ National Party tho. The whole scale shifts over there.




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testha: In case you were thinking that mass surveillance wont happen with a Labour government, both the centre right and the centre left parties in Australia voted it in yesterday: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/terror-laws-clear-senate-enabling-entire-australian-web-to-be-monitored-and-whistleblowers-to-be-jailed-20140925-10m8ih.html

Also interesting, besides this making the news all over the world, no mention of it on NZ mass media (stuff, herald). Only RadioNZ has a small article about it.


Could be a sign of things to come.  What's the bet we get hit by a "terrorist attack" to spawn another bill and gain the people's attention and support this time?


What is it with people refusing to believe that terrorist attacks are real?

Putting quotes around it suggests you do not think it is real, which is frankly ludicrous.

As one who has been within earshot of an IRA bombing, I can assure you terrorists are quite real and they WILL arrive in NZ sooner or later. The thing is, Muslims are everywhere and the crazy ones don't care if you are a NZ citizen - you are an infidel westerner and that is all that matters. The harder it becomes for them to operate in other countries, the more they will gravitate to ones with less secure environments.





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  Reply # 1138261 26-Sep-2014 14:18
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Geektastic:
What is it with people refusing to believe that terrorist attacks are real?

Putting quotes around it suggests you do not think it is real, which is frankly ludicrous.

As one who has been within earshot of an IRA bombing, I can assure you terrorists are quite real and they WILL arrive in NZ sooner or later. The thing is, Muslims are everywhere and the crazy ones don't care if you are a NZ citizen - you are an infidel westerner and that is all that matters. The harder it becomes for them to operate in other countries, the more they will gravitate to ones with less secure environments.


Like that really crazy teenage terrorist that had a knife(!) and was known by the AUS police? That angry teenage boy the Aussie police knew about and still voluntary met up with? That than attacked these two police officers with a knife and got shot? In the whole raid, no bombs were found, no other wepons besides knifes.

TERROR! FEAR! NEW LAWS!

As I said before you can use encryption to circumvent the surveillance so these new laws dont do anything to reduce the risk of real terrorists. The question should be why was it pushed through anyways?



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not all muslims are terrorists, not all terrorists are muslims, do get that right.

I am astounded that Sydney being 4 hr away from AKL people still are oblivious to the danger.

Don't worry the GCSB has it all covered ... I hope!

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  Reply # 1138269 26-Sep-2014 14:32
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testha:
Geektastic:
What is it with people refusing to believe that terrorist attacks are real?

Putting quotes around it suggests you do not think it is real, which is frankly ludicrous.

As one who has been within earshot of an IRA bombing, I can assure you terrorists are quite real and they WILL arrive in NZ sooner or later. The thing is, Muslims are everywhere and the crazy ones don't care if you are a NZ citizen - you are an infidel westerner and that is all that matters. The harder it becomes for them to operate in other countries, the more they will gravitate to ones with less secure environments.


Like that really crazy teenage terrorist that had a knife(!) and was known by the AUS police? That angry teenage boy the Aussie police knew about and still voluntary met up with? That than attacked these two police officers with a knife and got shot? In the whole raid, no bombs were found, no other wepons besides knifes.

TERROR! FEAR! NEW LAWS!

As I said before you can use encryption to circumvent the surveillance so these new laws dont do anything to reduce the risk of real terrorists. The question should be why was it pushed through anyways?




Of course the whole thing is just a conspiracy isn't it, ISIL  doesn't exist neither does Al Qaeda. Jesse Ventura is the man to believe... right? 




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