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  #1128736 15-Sep-2014 07:55
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BigHammer: Last time I checked the 18+ card was not an official form of ID, just an "evidence of age" card. Some bars don't even accept it. Just be aware that it may be rejected if used when photo ID is requested.


They shouldn't be rejected, they are legally valid ID for the purposes of the supply of liquor.








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  #1128741 15-Sep-2014 08:09
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clevedon: Firearms licence always seems acceptable.


It's not legally valid for the supply of liquor in NZ, and may well be rejected. I would expect rejection rates to increase with the new training all doormen are required to undertake prior to October 1st.

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NZ passport
Overseas passport
NZ issued Driver's license
HANZ 18+ card









 
 
 
 


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  #1128744 15-Sep-2014 08:12
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Lias: They shouldn't be rejected, they are legally valid ID for the purposes of the supply of liquor.


No they shouldn't, but I guess some bars or bouncers don't know or just ignore. Nowhere near as bad now apparently but son says it still happens on occasion. From memory five years ago when said son looked at getting one they were just a card Hospitality NZ had thrown together. They looked no better than a school's student ID card and had no actual legal weight. I think the card became acceptable in an update to the act in 2012? The new card released this month looks good.




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  #1128746 15-Sep-2014 08:22
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Lias:
clevedon: Firearms licence always seems acceptable.


It's not legally valid for the supply of liquor in NZ, and may well be rejected. I would expect rejection rates to increase with the new training all doormen are required to undertake prior to October 1st.

Valid ID is:
NZ passport
Overseas passport
NZ issued Driver's license
HANZ 18+ card


I've never had to use it for purchasing liquor as I'm mid 40's but for every time I've ever been asked for photo/ID it has been accepted.

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  #1128800 15-Sep-2014 09:19
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The 'gold standard' is ID that is accepted by Land Information New Zealand if you need to transfer or encumber land.  They will only accept:

 

  • NZ Drivers Licence
  • Passport
  • NZ Firearms Licence
  • Other NZ government issued photo ID (Not defined - but includes things like NZ Defence force ID, NZ Police ID etc.)
LINZ are very strict, you will find the 18+ card is not 'government issued' and therefore not suitable.


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  #1128833 15-Sep-2014 10:04
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BigHammer:
Lias: They shouldn't be rejected, they are legally valid ID for the purposes of the supply of liquor.


No they shouldn't, but I guess some bars or bouncers don't know or just ignore. Nowhere near as bad now apparently but son says it still happens on occasion. From memory five years ago when said son looked at getting one they were just a card Hospitality NZ had thrown together. They looked no better than a school's student ID card and had no actual legal weight. I think the card became acceptable in an update to the act in 2012? The new card released this month looks good.


It was always legal, it was a prescribed document under 2d, and HANZ was a specified organisation.


Meaning of term evidence of age document

(1)For the purposes of this Act, the term evidence of age document means a document specified in subsection (2) that—
(a)contains a photograph of the person to whom the document is issued; and
(b)contains information that enables the age of the person to be determined.

(2)For the purposes of subsection (1), a document is—
(a)a New Zealand passport; or
(b)an overseas passport; or
(c)a driver licence issued under the Land Transport Act 1998; or
(d)a document in the prescribed form issued by a specified person, organisation, body corporate, government department, Crown agency, or statutory board.

(3)For the purposes of subsection (2),—
(a)the term prescribed means prescribed by the Minister by notice in the Gazette:
(b)the term specified means specified by the Minister by notice in the Gazette.


Now IANAL but I actually think things are greyer now, because I'm damned if I can see a clear definition like that in the 2012 act. Pretty much everything refers to Section 5(1) which defines

approved evidence of age document—
(a)means a document of a kind approved by regulations made under this Act for the purposes of this definition; and
(b)in relation to a person, means an evidence of age document relating to the person

Under section 274(4)(b), it talks about the forms of ID that may be provided to the court as defense in court if the licensee is charged with supplying a minor, and how they can prove that someone was not in factor a minor, but that in itself loops back by saying that one of the proofs is an an approved evidence of age document (also a birth certificate or passport).





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  #1128980 15-Sep-2014 13:03
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mckenndk: Official ID's of NZ for purchasing Alcohol are
Passport 
Drivers Licence
18+card 


Kyanar:
dolsen: There's an 18+ card.
Getting a driving license is always useful though - assuming there's not some reason that's not an option.


Driver's Licenses now expire every 5 years and require you to retake the test in order to renew unless you progress to a full license.  Hence anyone who doesn't drive is now screwed if they need a form of ID.


Just to further clarify Kyanars statement, the Land Transport (Driver Licencing Rule) Amendment Rule 2014 kicks in on 01 December 2014, so Learner and Restricted licences for class 1 and 6 (cars and motorbikes) issued prior to this date will expire 10 years after their date of issue. From 01 December 2014 that expiry date reduces to 5 years.

The reason I also included part of mckenndk's post is that this amendment will actually disqualify these classes of drivers licence from being identification for the sale of liquor from 01 December 2014, unless an amendment is made to the relevant sale of liquor notice. It'll be interesting to see if any notice (no pun intended) gets taken of this :-)

EDIT: No notice will get taken - for good reason; nothing to take notice of. After paying a bit more attention, I see the SOL notice relates solely to section 2A(2)(d) SOLA 1989. Drivers licences fall under section 2A(2)(c). Back to sleep...

 
 
 
 


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Hi there.  There are a very nice group of people at DIA who maintain the New Zealand Evidence of Identity Standard which is what governs legally if something can be used to prove your identity.  Unfortunately the DIA website wouldn't play ball so i couldn't find a handy list of what documents are consider EoI at the moment.

This appears to be a fairly complete list http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/20/identification-for-driver-licensing.html, although it doesn't included Licensed Building Practitioner licences which also qualify.

Edit:  Just found this guidance document.

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clevedon: Firearms licence always seems acceptable.


Unless you are buying booze at the supermarket.

I find it laughable they only accept passport, drivers licence or 18+ card. Techinically the firearms licence should trump 2 of those forms of ID due to the amount of vetting and process required to gain it.

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I've been living in New Zealand for about three and a half years and in that time I have never had my passport turned down as a form of ID.

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heylinb4nz:
clevedon: Firearms licence always seems acceptable.


Unless you are buying booze at the supermarket.

I find it laughable they only accept passport, drivers licence or 18+ card. Techinically the firearms licence should trump 2 of those forms of ID due to the amount of vetting and process required to gain it.


When I was applying for Permanent Residence here I had a job in Wellington for which I was granted Top Secret clearance.

When I went to see my case officer at Immigration, she said that they were still waiting for a note from the UK Police to say I did not have a criminal record. I suggested that a full vetting for Top Secret clearance was pretty likely to have thrown that up and therefore we could, perhaps, consider the Police letter somewhat redundant.

Oh no. Had to wait for the actual letter. Process is king....!





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Geektastic: 

When I was applying for Permanent Residence here I had a job in Wellington for which I was granted Top Secret clearance.

When I went to see my case officer at Immigration, she said that they were still waiting for a note from the UK Police to say I did not have a criminal record. I suggested that a full vetting for Top Secret clearance was pretty likely to have thrown that up and therefore we could, perhaps, consider the Police letter somewhat redundant.

Oh no. Had to wait for the actual letter. Process is king....!


We don't want anyone with outstanding parking tickets.

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