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  Reply # 1129306 15-Sep-2014 18:24
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My iphen is mde from aloominum and doesnt need foil. It is on the global Sparkfone network that helps the kim com from spy against my wifi and cats.


u wifi hat no good. the hua wei spy on u on the backside. no need hack the wifi. u want know more u you see on the google.

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  Reply # 1129308 15-Sep-2014 18:26
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My iphen is mde from aloominum and doesnt need foil. It is on the global Sparkfone network that helps the kim com from spy against my wifi and cats.


u wifi hat no good. the hua wei spy on u on the backside. no need hack the wifi. u want know more u you see on the google.


On the backside?! Is that like the Southpark episode 'Cartman Gets An A**l Probe"?!





 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1129311 15-Sep-2014 18:29
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SaltyNZ: Well, that too, but ZOMG won't somebody please think of the civil liberties! doesn't seem to get much traction as an argument here on GZ. :-D


civil liberty locally yes. international manhunt FBI most wanted target - we have really, no control. the CIA can overthrow JK easier than Putin is trying to overthrow whoever is now in charge of Ukraine - I pity JK on this occasion. next occasion will be viewed on a case by case basis.

i agree KDC can be seen to have done little wrong. so are a few americans and non americans in hiding in various embassies.

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greenbone: warner bros made 5 billion in 2013. its so strange to me that NZers are willing to overlook tens, possibly hundreds of millions of tax dollars put towards protecting the profits of a multi-billion dollar US corporation. 

now theres possibly even an email that proves as much, yet people are still like get rid of Kim DC? Kim DC didnt misappropriate my tax dollars to keep WB CEO Kevin Tsujihara on a private yacht in the bahamas. so strange


No one is overlooking it.

If WB go to NZ and say we will come and make this movie and employ loads of people, spend many bucks - would you mind discounting our tax bill? and we say "Yeah, nah - it's a matter of principle mate" then they say "Oh ok - thanks anyway, but (insert another country of your choice) says they will discount our bill, so we will go there instead. See ya.

So then we lose the tax AND the employment/spending.

It's not that easy to get multi-million dollar projects in NZ you know.





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Geektastic:
joker97:


My iphen is mde from aloominum and doesnt need foil. It is on the global Sparkfone network that helps the kim com from spy against my wifi and cats.


u wifi hat no good. the hua wei spy on u on the backside. no need hack the wifi. u want know more u you see on the google.


On the backside?! Is that like the Southpark episode 'Cartman Gets An A**l Probe"?!


sori la my enngrish no veri good. i was mean to say the backside door.

PS ok i'm going to stop now - but English is not my first language, and I speak like this to my mother and friends. thanks. (AFAIK i am allowed to make fun of myself)

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  Reply # 1129316 15-Sep-2014 18:33
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joker97: he took his own life after being charged with hacking the US govt


For downloading freely available journal articles.




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I think most kiwis are sick and tired of Dotcom trying to manipulate an election in a country that he is not even a citizen of, just to try and cover his own butt. I'm very happy to see this latest charade has blown up  in his face. The sooner he's deported the better. 

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SaltyNZ:
joker97: he took his own life after being charged with hacking the US govt


For downloading freely available journal articles.


well not quite the whole story

"After his arrest, JSTOR released a statement saying that though it considered Swartz’s access to be a "significant misuse" committed in an "unauthorized fashion," it would not pursue civil litigation against him;MIT did not comment on the proceedings"

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interesting story though, seems he was being setup as an example by the authorities, hard to comprehend why, if it was as innocuous as it looks, that he would take his own life.

 








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  Reply # 1129327 15-Sep-2014 18:56
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Snackos: I think most kiwis are sick and tired of Dotcom trying to manipulate an election in a country that he is not even a citizen of, just to try and cover his own butt. I'm very happy to see this latest charade has blown up  in his face. The sooner he's deported the better. 



agreed, if nothing else comes of it I hope at least that politicians learn (fat chance) that they can't do as they please.


I do find the whole thing rather comical that hackers get information to uncover governments/politicians that get information, seems kind of ironic and a subjective argument as to who is legally and morally right.




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There are lot of different interests here and they may not want the same thing.

US Attorney General Eric Holder will want to slow Kim Dotcom's extradition down. If Kim Dotcom is wearing an orange jumpsuit in Leavenworth he can't use him as a bogey man to scare up political donations to the Democrat Party from Hollywood moguls.

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Extradition should be left to the judiciary not politicians.

Imagine what would have happened if current anti terror legislation existed during the springbok tour.

Muldoon as PM would have labeled the protestors as terroristsprotestor and used draconian measures against them.

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jeffnz:
SaltyNZ:
joker97: he took his own life after being charged with hacking the US govt


For downloading freely available journal articles.


well not quite the whole story

"After his arrest, JSTOR released a statement saying that though it considered Swartz’s access to be a "significant misuse" committed in an "unauthorized fashion," it would not pursue civil litigation against him;MIT did not comment on the proceedings"

source

interesting story though, seems he was being setup as an example by the authorities, hard to comprehend why, if it was as innocuous as it looks, that he would take his own life.






Oh yes, he was misusing the system, and he kept on doing it for a while after he was asked to stop. If he was my employee, I'd probably fire him. If he was a student at my school, I'd ask him to leave. But I don't think I'd bring the FBI down on him so hard and threaten him with such a long jail sentence that he would feel like suicide was the best option. Seems a little excessive to threaten him with 35 years in prison and a million dollars in fines, as your source also points out, when almost everything there was available for free in a library.




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SaltyNZ:
jeffnz:
SaltyNZ:
joker97: he took his own life after being charged with hacking the US govt


For downloading freely available journal articles.


well not quite the whole story

"After his arrest, JSTOR released a statement saying that though it considered Swartz’s access to be a "significant misuse" committed in an "unauthorized fashion," it would not pursue civil litigation against him;MIT did not comment on the proceedings"

source

interesting story though, seems he was being setup as an example by the authorities, hard to comprehend why, if it was as innocuous as it looks, that he would take his own life.






Oh yes, he was misusing the system, and he kept on doing it for a while after he was asked to stop. If he was my employee, I'd probably fire him. If he was a student at my school, I'd ask him to leave. But I don't think I'd bring the FBI down on him so hard and threaten him with such a long jail sentence that he would feel like suicide was the best option. Seems a little excessive to threaten him with 35 years in prison and a million dollars in fines, as your source also points out, when almost everything there was available for free in a library.


yes I agree but as I said its an interesting story I think I'll do some more reading on it.




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Greenwald is a good speaker. Quite engaging so far...

EDIT - except a lot is redacted on the slides. Would have been more convincing without the black bars.




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