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  Reply # 1129400 15-Sep-2014 20:43
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SaltyNZ:
sbiddle: Why intercept SXC under water or even at a ground station? Intercepting it inside the US once traffic leaves the ground station is far easier.




I remember talking to a man at a GZ pizza night a few years ago who was in a particular position to have pertinent information on the topic. He described having a lot of meetings in the US that were attended by representatives of the local telcos etc. as well as bunch of people in suits who never gave their names but noted there were certain conditions attached to landing a cable on the US mainland vis a vis installation of tapping equipment at the landing station.


And as an employee of 2deg you just said?
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  Reply # 1129402 15-Sep-2014 20:43
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No emails. No big reveal. Should have stopped after Snowden finished his part.

What a waste of time. Now back to Netflix.





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  Reply # 1129403 15-Sep-2014 20:44
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freitasm:
jeffnz: I understand the concern that a lot of the GZ community has over all the privacy issues but I'm one of the majority that is quite trusting in most things ( naive I know) and I suppose we rely on people such on here to keep others in  line but this really has just been one mans focus to discredit the NZ government for his own benefit and thus far it is backfiring on him.


You (and others) may have noticed I never mentioned this person before. In reality there are only two keywords filter in my Twitter filter: "gigatown" and this gentleman's name. I do not support his principles, methods or objectives. But I do worry about privacy.

However even my worries about out of control surveillance with no legal reason, it's not a draw card that would change my vote to a party created to entertain certain personal crusade.



Never thought otherwise Mauricio hence reference to the work you guys do on here. I take notice of those that don't seem to have a political axe to grind and filter the rest and I don't pretend to understand a lot of the privacy issues. I do take issue with people like this coming to our country under the pretense of enlightening and helping us when it is only themselves that they are interested in.







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  Reply # 1129406 15-Sep-2014 20:50
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TimA: 
And as an employee of 2deg you just said?
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Heh, well I don't need to deny the existence of legal intercept equipment, in our network. It's an openly legally mandated requirement now, isn't it? :-D

Note that I'm not flat out against all forms of LI altogether. Just against dragnet surveillance of the not-even-suspected-to-be-guilty.




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  Reply # 1129417 15-Sep-2014 20:52
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ok I can't be bothered wasting 2 hours of my life watching the supposed expose, but let's analyse what PM said

 

"There is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by GCSB and there never has been mass surveillance of New Zealanders by GCSB ... One of the problems is when you hack into people's information and you steal it sometimes you get part of the information but not all of the information. Mark my words, he's wrong... There never has been mass surveillance and there is not mass surveillance."

 

so the GCSB never spied on us. but nothing about whether the NSA does ... ;p so I'm guessing yeah they probably do, but in sporadic cases, ad hoc if you like, targeted.

let's put it this way - if NZ spies on NZ they do a bad job. they didn't see this coming did they? (it is not uncommon for govt agents to stuff up their simple tasks, it must be noted) so probability is they are not spying. at least not on the right people!

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  Reply # 1129421 15-Sep-2014 20:54
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freitasm: No emails. No big reveal. Should have stopped after Snowden finished his part.

What a waste of time. Now back to Netflix.



John Key won't even need to bat this aside. He can ignore it completely.




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I hope he does get extradited and has to attempt to clear his name in a US court.

I didn't mind him before he got into politics, and did think the raid was over the top, but using these spying claims to try to hurt Key during the election campaign annoys me, the same thing would have happened no matter which party was governing.

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freitasm: No emails. No big reveal. Should have stopped after Snowden finished his part.

What a waste of time. Now back to Netflix.



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RickD: I hope he does get extradited and has to attempt to clear his name in a US court.

I didn't mind him before he got into politics, and did think the raid was over the top, but using these spying claims to try to hurt Key during the election campaign annoys me, the same thing would have happened no matter which party was governing.


same here but no more, good thing about ego's they always get you into trouble.







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  Reply # 1129443 15-Sep-2014 20:58
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Lightbox, in my case


Worth the money?




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SaltyNZ:
freitasm: No emails. No big reveal. Should have stopped after Snowden finished his part.

What a waste of time. Now back to Netflix.



John Key won't even need to bat this aside. He can ignore it completely.



It may well help but at the least it won't help some other parties




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SaltyNZ:
Bobdn: 

Lightbox, in my case


Worth the money?


Yes, it really is I think.  I'm loving it.  I don't have Sky so apart from Freeview, this is it for me.  As a Spark customer it's only $7.50 per month for the first six months.

And just so this is not completely off topic, I'll add: I'm looking forward to this election being over.  I'm tired of it. 

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I think Dotcom just put one foot on the plane tonight, how could he get it so wrong? If anything this is just going to strengthen the Nats position, the only ones that will be all excited are the Dotcom fan boys who weren't going to vote for anyone else anyway.

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SaltyNZ: Which is why he was attacked this way first: he's so easy to hate. But if you think about what he is *really* accused of - which boils down to 'provided online storage where other people could put infringing content' - then this is a whole lot more dangerous. People can share infringing content via Dropbox or any of the other cloud services too. What would happen if Dropbox - or Google, or Microsoft - was first in line for this type of attack? People would be jumping up and down so hard the politicians would be falling all over themselves to give them amnesty. 

But KDC ... well, he's so easy to hate. Go after him first, and most people will have your attitude: he's a crook, he got what he deserved, good riddance. And then the precedent is set, and everyone else is now in the firing line to pay protection money to rightsholders. 'Shame about that Dotcom guy, innit gov? Say, nice cloud service you got here. Quite safe is it? Things *break* you know.'

And that's why you should fight for KDC even if you dislike him personally.


The difference is, the internet isn't covered in links to pirated content on Dropbox or Google Drive, everybody knew Megaupload was a place to for pirated content and the links were everywhere. The site administrators knew that and made a lot of money because of it. If Dotcom is innocent, he should have no problem proving it in a US court.

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RickD:
SaltyNZ: Which is why he was attacked this way first: he's so easy to hate. But if you think about what he is *really* accused of - which boils down to 'provided online storage where other people could put infringing content' - then this is a whole lot more dangerous. People can share infringing content via Dropbox or any of the other cloud services too. What would happen if Dropbox - or Google, or Microsoft - was first in line for this type of attack? People would be jumping up and down so hard the politicians would be falling all over themselves to give them amnesty. 

But KDC ... well, he's so easy to hate. Go after him first, and most people will have your attitude: he's a crook, he got what he deserved, good riddance. And then the precedent is set, and everyone else is now in the firing line to pay protection money to rightsholders. 'Shame about that Dotcom guy, innit gov? Say, nice cloud service you got here. Quite safe is it? Things *break* you know.'

And that's why you should fight for KDC even if you dislike him personally.


The difference is, the internet isn't covered in links to pirated content on Dropbox or Google Drive, everybody knew Megaupload was a place to for pirated content and the links were everywhere. The site administrators knew that and made a lot of money because of it. If Dotcom is innocent, he should have no problem proving it in a US court.


take Rapidshare as an example then.


It was used a lot more than megaupload at one point, and is still a very long standing alternative.


Plenty of links posted around the internet with pirated content.




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