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  Reply # 1130952 17-Sep-2014 19:40
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Yabanize:
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RickD:
SaltyNZ: Which is why he was attacked this way first: he's so easy to hate. But if you think about what he is *really* accused of - which boils down to 'provided online storage where other people could put infringing content' - then this is a whole lot more dangerous. People can share infringing content via Dropbox or any of the other cloud services too. What would happen if Dropbox - or Google, or Microsoft - was first in line for this type of attack? People would be jumping up and down so hard the politicians would be falling all over themselves to give them amnesty. 

But KDC ... well, he's so easy to hate. Go after him first, and most people will have your attitude: he's a crook, he got what he deserved, good riddance. And then the precedent is set, and everyone else is now in the firing line to pay protection money to rightsholders. 'Shame about that Dotcom guy, innit gov? Say, nice cloud service you got here. Quite safe is it? Things *break* you know.'

And that's why you should fight for KDC even if you dislike him personally.


The difference is, the internet isn't covered in links to pirated content on Dropbox or Google Drive, everybody knew Megaupload was a place to for pirated content and the links were everywhere. The site administrators knew that and made a lot of money because of it. If Dotcom is innocent, he should have no problem proving it in a US court.


If you read some of the original court documents that were available not long after the raid there are apparently emails proving that Dotcom and the others involved actively encouraged piracy by paying those that had uploaded copyrighted material. The more downloads of that material the more they got paid.

Some seem to make out Dotcom as some innocent fella just providing online storage but that is far from the truth.


Except they only got paid if their popular file was under 100mb.




That's why scene releases broken into multiple RAR files suited Megaupload users perfectly.


Well thats hardly megauploads fault is it, They did something to try and stop it.

Not to mention their takedown tool which all of the movie studios in the MPAA had access to, which other sites didnt have.

If people wanted to pirate a movie it would be alot easier just to find a torrent where its all in one file.

People use dropbox and google drive for the same thing.

Maybe they should just ban the sale of hard drives since so many people have hard drives full of movies


or something like this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy


A
lthough i recall mention that the laws for this, atlest in NL were changed. 




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  Reply # 1131103 17-Sep-2014 23:08
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Yabanize:
RickD:
Yabanize:
marmel:
RickD:
SaltyNZ: Which is why he was attacked this way first: he's so easy to hate. But if you think about what he is *really* accused of - which boils down to 'provided online storage where other people could put infringing content' - then this is a whole lot more dangerous. People can share infringing content via Dropbox or any of the other cloud services too. What would happen if Dropbox - or Google, or Microsoft - was first in line for this type of attack? People would be jumping up and down so hard the politicians would be falling all over themselves to give them amnesty. 

But KDC ... well, he's so easy to hate. Go after him first, and most people will have your attitude: he's a crook, he got what he deserved, good riddance. And then the precedent is set, and everyone else is now in the firing line to pay protection money to rightsholders. 'Shame about that Dotcom guy, innit gov? Say, nice cloud service you got here. Quite safe is it? Things *break* you know.'

And that's why you should fight for KDC even if you dislike him personally.


The difference is, the internet isn't covered in links to pirated content on Dropbox or Google Drive, everybody knew Megaupload was a place to for pirated content and the links were everywhere. The site administrators knew that and made a lot of money because of it. If Dotcom is innocent, he should have no problem proving it in a US court.


If you read some of the original court documents that were available not long after the raid there are apparently emails proving that Dotcom and the others involved actively encouraged piracy by paying those that had uploaded copyrighted material. The more downloads of that material the more they got paid.

Some seem to make out Dotcom as some innocent fella just providing online storage but that is far from the truth.


Except they only got paid if their popular file was under 100mb.




That's why scene releases broken into multiple RAR files suited Megaupload users perfectly.


Well thats hardly megauploads fault is it, They did something to try and stop it.

Not to mention their takedown tool which all of the movie studios in the MPAA had access to, which other sites didnt have.

If people wanted to pirate a movie it would be alot easier just to find a torrent where its all in one file.

People use dropbox and google drive for the same thing.

Maybe they should just ban the sale of hard drives since so many people have hard drives full of movies


That's the exact argument Kim Dotcom uses. If it's valid, then I'm sure it will hold up in a US court - but I think when 80%+ of your traffic is pirated content and you're making money from that by selling ads and premium subscriptions, then you probably know what you're doing is wrong, even if you do have a cover-your-ass take down tool.

Megaupload was popular before torrents became mainstream. Now it probably is easier to find a torrent, 6-8 years ago it wasn't. 

Banning the sale of hard drives is a great idea.

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  Reply # 1131106 17-Sep-2014 23:16
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Ok but don't forget to ban all dvd players that support the mkv container and the h264 format. This conspiracy is growing every minute.

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  Reply # 1131108 17-Sep-2014 23:24
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RickD:
Yabanize:
RickD:
Yabanize:
marmel:
RickD:
SaltyNZ: Which is why he was attacked this way first: he's so easy to hate. But if you think about what he is *really* accused of - which boils down to 'provided online storage where other people could put infringing content' - then this is a whole lot more dangerous. People can share infringing content via Dropbox or any of the other cloud services too. What would happen if Dropbox - or Google, or Microsoft - was first in line for this type of attack? People would be jumping up and down so hard the politicians would be falling all over themselves to give them amnesty. 

But KDC ... well, he's so easy to hate. Go after him first, and most people will have your attitude: he's a crook, he got what he deserved, good riddance. And then the precedent is set, and everyone else is now in the firing line to pay protection money to rightsholders. 'Shame about that Dotcom guy, innit gov? Say, nice cloud service you got here. Quite safe is it? Things *break* you know.'

And that's why you should fight for KDC even if you dislike him personally.


The difference is, the internet isn't covered in links to pirated content on Dropbox or Google Drive, everybody knew Megaupload was a place to for pirated content and the links were everywhere. The site administrators knew that and made a lot of money because of it. If Dotcom is innocent, he should have no problem proving it in a US court.


If you read some of the original court documents that were available not long after the raid there are apparently emails proving that Dotcom and the others involved actively encouraged piracy by paying those that had uploaded copyrighted material. The more downloads of that material the more they got paid.

Some seem to make out Dotcom as some innocent fella just providing online storage but that is far from the truth.


Except they only got paid if their popular file was under 100mb.




That's why scene releases broken into multiple RAR files suited Megaupload users perfectly.


Well thats hardly megauploads fault is it, They did something to try and stop it.

Not to mention their takedown tool which all of the movie studios in the MPAA had access to, which other sites didnt have.

If people wanted to pirate a movie it would be alot easier just to find a torrent where its all in one file.

People use dropbox and google drive for the same thing.

Maybe they should just ban the sale of hard drives since so many people have hard drives full of movies


That's the exact argument Kim Dotcom uses. If it's valid, then I'm sure it will hold up in a US court - but I think when 80%+ of your traffic is pirated content and you're making money from that by selling ads and premium subscriptions, then you probably know what you're doing is wrong, even if you do have a cover-your-ass take down tool.

Megaupload was popular before torrents became mainstream. Now it probably is easier to find a torrent, 6-8 years ago it wasn't. 

Banning the sale of hard drives is a great idea.


Do they have evidence that 80% of it was? and even if it was it doesnt matter because all that was required of them by law (The DMCA) was to take down or block infringing links when asked, Which they did.

 

The case lacks merit anyway, Im quite confident he will win the case and probably not be extradited, now that he is getting access to his data again

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  Reply # 1131172 18-Sep-2014 08:33
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gzt: Ok but don't forget to ban all dvd players that support the mkv container and the h264 format. This conspiracy is growing every minute.

 

And don't forget to ban the  region free ones as well.  We can't have the plebs getting cheap movies from Amazon..




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  Reply # 1131198 18-Sep-2014 09:20
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old3eyes:
gzt: Ok but don't forget to ban all dvd players that support the mkv container and the h264 format. This conspiracy is growing every minute.
And don't forget to ban the  region free ones as well.  We can't have the plebs getting cheap movies from Amazon..


And VPNs, because artists signed dumb flat-fee contracts with Netflix so they don't get any additional forever-payment when an overseas person pretends to be in the US to get Netflix. Or when an actual in-the-US person gets Netflix. But hey, I don't get forever-payment for my work at all so I guess it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.




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