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Reply # 1132261 19-Sep-2014 16:46

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Geektastic:

The SmartGate passport tech could easily be adapted to confirm voter ID and prevent multiple voting attempts.

No, it couldn't. Research has shown over and over again that if you have time alone with the hardware you can always find a way to subvert it. Smartgate works fine in the airport because there are always about a thousand other people looking right at you while you're using it. The nature of voting is that it is secret, so you by definition have to be alone with physical access to the machine. And that's just the vulnerability to the person walking in to vote. There are numerous other avenues of attack that could be taken by various people in trusted positions.

I'm afraid for the time being at least, paper votes counted by hand while a lot of suspicious people watch remains the most secure method of doing it. Also, gratuitous XKCD.

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Reply # 1132274 19-Sep-2014 17:18

Seakiwi:
joker97: does the EC ensure that voters don't vote twice? what is there to prevent that?

The method used for the last 40 odd years to detect multiple votes by one person was:

When you vote your name is crossed of in the electoral roll of the polling booth you vote at . The rolls from each polling place are returned to the central office for each electorate and the first job completed by electoral staff after voting day has always been "calling the rolls".

Each line crossed off in a polling place is called to a central roll for that electorate where it is marked as having voted. Any dual votes are picked up this way, there are always some in my experience.

The votes cast by anyone found to have multiple voted are all marked invalid and not counted. Remember each vote can be found as the page and line number from the roll are written on the butt of the numbered voting paper. The numbers are obscured on the voting paper itself (we used to stick a different coloured sticker over the number for each booth within each polling place to allow votes to be counted at the booth that issued them)but a particular number or numbers can be found and removed as you know which polloing place the votes were cast at.

I worked in various capacities on election day from the late 60s through to the 90's.

Ah I see.

Shhh don't tell the conspiracists they will think this is a way to target those who voted for the opposition

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Reply # 1132293 19-Sep-2014 18:31

geekiegeek: Enforce compulsory enrolment and voting. Fine those that don't participate.

I think if everyone voted we would possibly have a very different make-up of parties in parliament.

Making voting compulsory is stupid. If people can't be bothered or don't want to, what is to be gained by adding the apathetic, lazy or disinterested to the voting pool? The civilian party may of course disagree. I feel the same way about jury service.

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Reply # 1132301 19-Sep-2014 18:54

SaltyNZ:
Geektastic:

The SmartGate passport tech could easily be adapted to confirm voter ID and prevent multiple voting attempts.

No, it couldn't. Research has shown over and over again that if you have time alone with the hardware you can always find a way to subvert it. Smartgate works fine in the airport because there are always about a thousand other people looking right at you while you're using it. The nature of voting is that it is secret, so you by definition have to be alone with physical access to the machine. And that's just the vulnerability to the person walking in to vote. There are numerous other avenues of attack that could be taken by various people in trusted positions.

I'm afraid for the time being at least, paper votes counted by hand while a lot of suspicious people watch remains the most secure method of doing it. Also, gratuitous XKCD.

Nah. You use the machine in the foyer to access the voting machine simply to verify your ID. It would be combined with a new Easy Vote card that has photo and biometrics.

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Reply # 1132302 19-Sep-2014 18:56

Seakiwi:
Geektastic:Totally agree. A passport ought to be enough. Just stamp it Voted!

But which passport?

You don't need a NZ Passport to vote and you can hold multiple passports eg my wife has both a UK and an NZ passport.

I have two myself and you just offer it to NZ passport holders as an alternative to registration

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Reply # 1132309 19-Sep-2014 19:10

kiwitrc:
geekiegeek: Enforce compulsory enrolment and voting. Fine those that don't participate.

I think if everyone voted we would possibly have a very different make-up of parties in parliament.

Making voting compulsory is stupid.

Compulsory voting in Oz... and the lizard still won last year.

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Reply # 1132340 19-Sep-2014 19:30

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blakamin:
kiwitrc:
geekiegeek: Enforce compulsory enrolment and voting. Fine those that don't participate.

I think if everyone voted we would possibly have a very different make-up of parties in parliament.

Making voting compulsory is stupid.

Compulsory voting in Oz... and the lizard still won last year.

Doesn't matter who wins tomorrow. Either way the lizard still won.

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Reply # 1132361 19-Sep-2014 19:55

SaltyNZ:
blakamin:
kiwitrc:
geekiegeek: Enforce compulsory enrolment and voting. Fine those that don't participate.

I think if everyone voted we would possibly have a very different make-up of parties in parliament.

Making voting compulsory is stupid.

Compulsory voting in Oz... and the lizard still won last year.

Doesn't matter who wins tomorrow. Either way the lizard still won.

Damn lizards!