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Rickles
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  #1166638 1-Nov-2014 19:01
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     >LOL I might just have to do that :-)<

When's the leaving party? <G>

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  #1166640 1-Nov-2014 19:15
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Completely blocking footpath use, lucky it was just a parking ticket and not a tow.

 
 
 
 


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  #1166642 1-Nov-2014 19:27
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It isn't really completely blocking the footpath, as the pedestrian could easily walk, around it and would still be completely safe. Wheelchairs maybe more difficult, but if the car is only parked there for a few minutes, then I can't see a major issue as the odds of someone in a wheelchair coming along would be really low in a short period of time. If it was more than a few minutes then it could be a problem. But I guess the law is the law and it means no stopping at all, and footpaths aren't engineered to hold the weight of vehicles. But kiwis have been parking like that forever. But it does seem somewhat petty to be fined rather than warned.  The thing is that we have laws and regulation  around many things, but they are never policed properly. Many houses have unconsented works on them, which are potentially unsafe, but unless the relevant authorities are made aware of them, noone would ever know, and even when they are made aware, often nothing is done, as it is expensive to police and control. They are also usually given warnings rather than fines.

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  #1166643 1-Nov-2014 19:28
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Elpie:
Lyderies: Hi All

Would my car below be illegally parked?

We have been parking like this for over a year and never had trouble with tickets until recently

https://i.imgur.com/3567YyW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lEewWxl.jpg

Who do i call to argue this? The Auckland council?

Cheers


I'm going to try to be polite even though I don't feel very polite after seeing your photos. 

My partner uses a wheelchair. He's also been hit by a car after being forced onto the road by an inconsiderate driver that blocked the footpath.
The way you are parking, someone using a wheelchair cannot even get around your car to get onto the road. That drain makes the car impassable. A wheelchair user would have no option but to turn around, try to find a manageable curb cut, and cross the road. Crossing roads is always a dangerous manoeuver. If a neighbour came along and parked the same way the person using a wheelchair would be stuck with no way out until someone decided to move their car. We've had that experience and I can tell you it's very far from nice.

I realise you probably didn't think this through but please do consider other people.  


Elpie - I concur with you 100% and know exactly what you are talking about - my wife is in a wheelchair and we see this kind of thing far too often.  I asked a warden once about the legality in getting cars parked like this towed, but its a bit of a grey area.  But like you said a wheelchair user on there own would not be able to get past this car due to the drain and grass, so what are they supposed to do?  Personally I think 0800 TOO TOW.

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  #1166647 1-Nov-2014 19:41
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mattwnz: It isn't really completely blocking the footpath, as the pedestrian could easily walk, around it and would still be completely safe. Wheelchairs maybe more difficult, but if the car is only parked there for a few minutes, then I can't see a major issue as the odds of someone in a wheelchair coming along would be really low in a short period of time. If it was more than a few minutes then it could be a problem. But I guess the law is the law and it means no stopping at all, and footpaths aren't engineered to hold the weight of vehicles. But kiwis have been parking like that forever. But it does seem somewhat petty to be fined rather than warned.  The thing is that we have laws and regulation  around many things, but they are never policed properly. Many houses have unconsented works on them, which are potentially unsafe, but unless the relevant authorities are made aware of them, noone would ever know, and even when they are made aware, often nothing is done, as it is expensive to police and control. They are also usually given warnings rather than fines.


In the circumstances photographed I would have limited options, I could turn around and not complete my journey. I could attempt to go around, however looking at the curbing etc I would risk tipping my chair and risking serious injury. If I do negotiate the curbing I would have to then go on the road and again at needless risk.

It my seem a petty thing only needing a warning but this sort of things occur a lot. There is enough obstacles to getting around in a wheelchair without adding completely avoidable ones.

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  #1166650 1-Nov-2014 19:50
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KiwiNZ:
mattwnz: It isn't really completely blocking the footpath, as the pedestrian could easily walk, around it and would still be completely safe. Wheelchairs maybe more difficult, but if the car is only parked there for a few minutes, then I can't see a major issue as the odds of someone in a wheelchair coming along would be really low in a short period of time. If it was more than a few minutes then it could be a problem. But I guess the law is the law and it means no stopping at all, and footpaths aren't engineered to hold the weight of vehicles. But kiwis have been parking like that forever. But it does seem somewhat petty to be fined rather than warned.  The thing is that we have laws and regulation  around many things, but they are never policed properly. Many houses have unconsented works on them, which are potentially unsafe, but unless the relevant authorities are made aware of them, noone would ever know, and even when they are made aware, often nothing is done, as it is expensive to police and control. They are also usually given warnings rather than fines.


In the circumstances photographed I would have limited options, I could turn around and not complete my journey. I could attempt to go around, however looking at the curbing etc I would risk tipping my chair and risking serious injury. If I do negotiate the curbing I would have to then go on the road and again at needless risk.

It my seem a petty thing only needing a warning but this sort of things occur a lot. There is enough obstacles to getting around in a wheelchair without adding completely avoidable ones.


Totally, and if it ends up blocking access to someone is a wheelchair, then it is definitely a problem. I was really meaning if someone stopped there for a minute or two, perhaps to open a gate or garage door or dropping something off, before moving on quickly, so they could easily move it if someone in a wheelchair came along.
There are also life and death things out their on peoples properties which are not policed or consented, and in most cases the councils simply don't want to know. I have looked at so many houses with unconsented works, and I have reported some to the council that were unsafe and often nothing ever happens. Vehicles are quite an easy target, and it is good revenue for them, which is an incentive for them to fine.

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  #1166651 1-Nov-2014 19:56
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Topped off with an unmowed berm, tisk tisk foot-in-mouth

 
 
 
 


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  #1166667 1-Nov-2014 20:43
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mattwnz: 
Totally, and if it ends up blocking access to someone is a wheelchair, then it is definitely a problem. I was really meaning if someone stopped there for a minute or two, perhaps to open a gate or garage door or dropping something off, before moving on quickly, so they could easily move it if someone in a wheelchair came along.


This is the same "excuse" people use when they take mobility car parks "for a minute or two". People that don't use wheelchairs or that don't have a spouse/partner/child using a chair have no idea how many barriers are put up by those "minutes or two". They can't be expected to understand either but it would be great if people (generally, that is - not pointing fingers at anyone) were more aware.

Imagine heading off in your car to an appointment and finding traffic stalled along the way because some driver has done something stupid. Annoying eh? Now, imagine that happening several times on the same day. Every day. This is the kind of frustration wheelchair users face in their daily lives. Those minutes or two add up and they are not just occasional occurrences. 

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  #1166668 1-Nov-2014 20:46
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Rickles:      >LOL I might just have to do that :-)<

When's the leaving party? <G>


I'm going to have to do something like that. We had a large, well-stocked liquor cupboard (too much for a cabinet) and gave a LOT away. But, I still have a good range and will have to find some helpers to dispose of the bottle contents. I wonder where I could find helpers??? Hmmm...

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  #1166679 1-Nov-2014 21:05
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Elpie:
This is the same "excuse" people use when they take mobility car parks "for a minute or two". People that don't use wheelchairs or that don't have a spouse/partner/child using a chair have no idea how many barriers are put up by those "minutes or two". They can't be expected to understand either but it would be great if people (generally, that is - not pointing fingers at anyone) were more aware.


I saw a variation on the usual theme this afternoon at the local supermarket. A woman parked in one of the mobility parks with the appropriate permits etc on dashboard but she was waiting for her able bodied companion to finish the shopping.

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  #1166682 1-Nov-2014 21:22
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Bung:
Elpie:
This is the same "excuse" people use when they take mobility car parks "for a minute or two". People that don't use wheelchairs or that don't have a spouse/partner/child using a chair have no idea how many barriers are put up by those "minutes or two". They can't be expected to understand either but it would be great if people (generally, that is - not pointing fingers at anyone) were more aware.


I saw a variation on the usual theme this afternoon at the local supermarket. A woman parked in one of the mobility parks with the appropriate permits etc on dashboard but she was waiting for her able bodied companion to finish the shopping.


Not sure what your point is

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  #1166683 1-Nov-2014 21:24
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     >I'm going to have to do something like that. We had a large, well-stocked liquor cupboard (too much for a cabinet) and gave a LOT away. But, I still have a good range and will have to find some helpers to dispose of the bottle contents. I wonder where I could find helpers??? Hmmm... <

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  #1166684 1-Nov-2014 21:26
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Many, many, years ago someone parked like that on a major road.
My mum lived on the street and was in a wheelchair... she had left them a note in the letterbox that they ignored for months.
I walked to her flat, (first time I didn't drive) and walked over their bonnet in work boots.. I'm not proud of it, but they never did it again.


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  #1166703 1-Nov-2014 22:19
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Well I just saw a car parked right on the middle of a footpath parallel with the road as they were too lazy to park further away where there were free spaces. Our council doesn't do very much to police these sorts if things and I think it only has a single parking warden so I suspect it won't be ticketed.

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  #1166704 1-Nov-2014 22:24
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Elpie:
mattwnz: 
Totally, and if it ends up blocking access to someone is a wheelchair, then it is definitely a problem. I was really meaning if someone stopped there for a minute or two, perhaps to open a gate or garage door or dropping something off, before moving on quickly, so they could easily move it if someone in a wheelchair came along.


This is the same "excuse" people use when they take mobility car parks "for a minute or two". People that don't use wheelchairs or that don't have a spouse/partner/child using a chair have no idea how many barriers are put up by those "minutes or two". They can't be expected to understand either but it would be great if people (generally, that is - not pointing fingers at anyone) were more aware.

Imagine heading off in your car to an appointment and finding traffic stalled along the way because some driver has done something stupid. Annoying eh? Now, imagine that happening several times on the same day. Every day. This is the kind of frustration wheelchair users face in their daily lives. Those minutes or two add up and they are not just occasional occurrences. 


That would be very different though as that is trying to milk a free car park or is pure laziness. The OP was in a transition space between the road and a private drive, so at some stage they were always going to occupy that space as they moved between the two spaces. They however made the error of not moving out of that space thus blocking it

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