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SaltyNZ
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  #1173706 12-Nov-2014 17:03
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Sideface: Our civil rights are more important than his.


Absolutely. If you're convicted of that kind of crime you have no right to expect not to spend the rest of your life under a government microscope. Circumstances should be considered, of course... But his circumstances are pretty clear. He self-evidently has no remorse or intention to make good.

I hope they catch him before he hurts anyone else. And when they do I hope that this time they forget where they put the keys rather than where they put the psycho.




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  #1173708 12-Nov-2014 17:03
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Bung: How do you get convicted of murder under an alias without it being tracked back to the root ID?


Smith was the name of his adoptive parents, and he has used that surname since childhood.
His surname was never legally changed from Traynor.




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  #1173745 12-Nov-2014 18:33
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sen8or: Its amazing how on one had, we cry foul at gaps in the systems when "Government departments don't communicate", yet imagine the protests from Minto, Bradford and other "hire a protest" type people if they did openly shared information (privacy act, breach of human rights etc?).

Im not arguing for or against the sharing of information, but it sure is a big can of worms if they try to do so openly........


I think you would have no argument from those folk on creating another column in the database called aliases.
Or better still perhaps corrections should have put him in jail under his real name.
It actually isn't rocket science, it appears he "escaped" by using his own legit passport which was under his "birth sirname" of "Traynor".
The Parole board actually knew he had a habit of using his "birth sirname" http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/parole-board-knew-smith-sometimes-used-birth-name-2014111112
We have no hope of catching anyone from ISIS if we can't catch a guy on weekend parole using his real name



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  #1173761 12-Nov-2014 18:56
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They need to introduce the death penalty and harsher crimes for these cockroaches. We need to implement the Thai System for prisons. Prisons should be a hellhole not a holiday in. They get better treatment than people in rest homes.

P.S. If you get caught stealing you should get your hand chopped off imo. (3 chances to be fair)

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  #1173764 12-Nov-2014 18:57
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we live in NZ not Saudi Arabia




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  #1173767 12-Nov-2014 19:00
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While I do totally agree with the death penalty for pedophiles, Saudi Arabia is not the sort of country we want to be emulating.




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  #1173789 12-Nov-2014 19:47
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Geektastic:
kiwitrc: So Philip Smith/Traynor legged it out of NZ when he was obviously being considered for release from prison and back into society.

His passport has been cancelled so I assume he can't get back in, or go anywhere else either.

The countries he went to don't have an extradition treaty with us, even better.

Therefore why the hell would the government want to spend probably millions on getting this arsehole back into the country?

Strikes me that corrections might have stumbled onto the perfect solution.




The prefect solution would be for the SAS to find him and quietly 'vanish' him. He will not be missed.


State sponsored murder is NOT a solution.

I would be happy to see the state permanently disabling some high risk criminals by severing the spinal column .

There should be a prison for these prisoners where they are denied external communications, and visitors once they have shown they are not to be trusted.

 
 
 
 


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  #1173792 12-Nov-2014 19:55
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turnin: We have no hope of catching anyone from ISIS if we can't catch a guy on weekend parole using his real name.


+1  The Executive Summary smile




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  #1174863 13-Nov-2014 06:25
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Well this is great to see on the NZ Herald this morning

"Fugitive found in Brazil"

 





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  #1174890 13-Nov-2014 06:51
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21brandon21: They need to introduce the death penalty and harsher crimes for these cockroaches. We need to implement the Thai System for prisons. Prisons should be a hellhole not a holiday in. They get better treatment than people in rest homes.

P.S. If you get caught stealing you should get your hand chopped off imo. (3 chances to be fair)


what if you're so poor you stole a loaf of bread for your starving kids?

anyway, no legal system is fool proof, society is more complex than it is. besides, in those country corruption is (yes even though some might call themselves muslims) prevalent, so the rich generally get away with daylight murder.




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  #1174892 13-Nov-2014 06:53
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the actual question nobody realises is, why is it so easy to commit identity scam/fraud in a country of 4 million!

my dog can vote if I wanted it to.
a crim can get a passport.
etc ...




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  #1174899 13-Nov-2014 07:04
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I'd like to leave him to rot in a Brazilian prison. They aren't the Hiltons they are here.




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  #1174905 13-Nov-2014 07:17
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Lias: While I do totally agree with the death penalty for pedophiles, Saudi Arabia is not the sort of country we want to be emulating.


If brutality worked as a deterrent, then the USA would have less crime than NZ. You chances of being murdered, assaulted and raped per head of population are MUCH higher in the USA.

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  #1174912 13-Nov-2014 07:29
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He's now in Brazilian police custody and has requested NZ Consular assistance.
I'm sure they'll be delighted to oblige.




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  #1174913 13-Nov-2014 07:38
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Sideface: He's now in Brazilian police custody and has requested NZ Consular assistance.
I'm sure they'll be delighted to oblige.


Send him the Gardener from the consul. After all, legally he is still meant to be in NZ, so until he gives up all the info on who help him escape (so they can be billed for the costs of getting hime back in prison), he does NOT require assistance.

One back in prison he should have a preventative detention sentence given to him
After 18 years he has proven he is high risk. If you can't not change behaviour after 18 years (and 50 + convictions)
you are NOT going to change.

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