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  #1183797 27-Nov-2014 08:55
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There really should be some form of criminal offence for incompetent use of public funds.




Hell yes; we could combine it with a criminal offence for doing whatever the hell it is that Wall St/City bankers do. It's a pity that the people that can make those laws are the same people that would be drawn and quartered because of them.




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  #1183799 27-Nov-2014 08:58
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The privacy commissioner has a hand in this, data sharing has been seriously hindered and Government Depts hamstrung by silly rules that allowed this to happen.

 
 
 
 


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  #1183800 27-Nov-2014 09:00
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SaltyNZ:
Geektastic:

There really should be some form of criminal offence for incompetent use of public funds.




Hell yes; we could combine it with a criminal offence for doing whatever the hell it is that Wall St/City bankers do. It's a pity that the people that can make those laws are the same people that would be drawn and quartered because of them.


Well, there already are criminal offences for the banking aspect in many cases. Civil servants and politicians on the other hand can spend tax like water and the only accountability (short of actual criminal embezzlement etc) is whether the politicians get elected again.

For example none of the so-called 'managers' responsible for approving the expenditure of that NHS IT cluster**k will ever be sacked - they will breeze on, probably promoted out of harm's way, retiring with Final Salary index linked pensions. Same happens in NZ, without the decent pensions.





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  #1183837 27-Nov-2014 09:29
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UPDATE

Another Smith swindle revealed
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/63577364/Another-Smith-swindle-revealed

Phillip Smith could be released from prison
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/63582000/Phillip-Smith-could-be-released-from-prison

So Smith could hide out in Brazil whilst living on his NZ student accommodation allowance undecided




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  #1183839 27-Nov-2014 09:33
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Geektastic:
SaltyNZ:
Geektastic:

There really should be some form of criminal offence for incompetent use of public funds.




Hell yes; we could combine it with a criminal offence for doing whatever the hell it is that Wall St/City bankers do. It's a pity that the people that can make those laws are the same people that would be drawn and quartered because of them.


Well, there already are criminal offences for the banking aspect in many cases. Civil servants and politicians on the other hand can spend tax like water and the only accountability (short of actual criminal embezzlement etc) is whether the politicians get elected again.

For example none of the so-called 'managers' responsible for approving the expenditure of that NHS IT cluster**k will ever be sacked - they will breeze on, probably promoted out of harm's way, retiring with Final Salary index linked pensions. Same happens in NZ, without the decent pensions.


Or the money spent on an Australian firm to do Novopay (the first thing being, why didn't they use NZ people to do it).  One party started it, the other executed the implementation, so neither wants it to fail, as everyone else can jump on them.  So millions go to the Australian firm to fix what should have been working day-1.

Sadly, I've seen more complex things done with spreadsheets.  More than one $10B+ Fortune 500 company has their company books run on a spreadsheet.  At least last time I worked for one, about 15 years ago, that's how it was.  Well, they had to start more spreadsheets when they ran into the 65k row limit.  I built a dedicated server for that one file.  Because, at the time, Excel loaded the entire file before the first cell displayed.  So someone wanting to edit it had to wait quite a while for a 20 MB spreadsheet to load over a 10 Mbps network (about 5 minutes load time, in practice).  So throwing it on a dedicated server, setting up remote access, and you could Remote Desktop to the server and open the file and be editing the file within 10 seconds.

As bad as that was, as insane as that was, it still worked better than Novopay's first year.  But Novopay is untouchable because both main parties had a hand in screwing it up.



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  #1183847 27-Nov-2014 09:49
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Whinery:
Geektastic:
SaltyNZ:
Geektastic:

There really should be some form of criminal offence for incompetent use of public funds.




Hell yes; we could combine it with a criminal offence for doing whatever the hell it is that Wall St/City bankers do. It's a pity that the people that can make those laws are the same people that would be drawn and quartered because of them.


Well, there already are criminal offences for the banking aspect in many cases. Civil servants and politicians on the other hand can spend tax like water and the only accountability (short of actual criminal embezzlement etc) is whether the politicians get elected again.

For example none of the so-called 'managers' responsible for approving the expenditure of that NHS IT cluster**k will ever be sacked - they will breeze on, probably promoted out of harm's way, retiring with Final Salary index linked pensions. Same happens in NZ, without the decent pensions.


Or the money spent on an Australian firm to do Novopay (the first thing being, why didn't they use NZ people to do it).  One party started it, the other executed the implementation, so neither wants it to fail, as everyone else can jump on them.  So millions go to the Australian firm to fix what should have been working day-1.

Sadly, I've seen more complex things done with spreadsheets.  More than one $10B+ Fortune 500 company has their company books run on a spreadsheet.  At least last time I worked for one, about 15 years ago, that's how it was.  Well, they had to start more spreadsheets when they ran into the 65k row limit.  I built a dedicated server for that one file.  Because, at the time, Excel loaded the entire file before the first cell displayed.  So someone wanting to edit it had to wait quite a while for a 20 MB spreadsheet to load over a 10 Mbps network (about 5 minutes load time, in practice).  So throwing it on a dedicated server, setting up remote access, and you could Remote Desktop to the server and open the file and be editing the file within 10 seconds.

As bad as that was, as insane as that was, it still worked better than Novopay's first year.  But Novopay is untouchable because both main parties had a hand in screwing it up.




15 years is a couple of life times in IT, If a large company used Excel now I would not invest in them. It always amuses me that when something like Novapay occurs a thousand experts come out of the wood work to criticise with out solutions.

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  #1183849 27-Nov-2014 09:52
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So those here aghast by the Smith incident would fully support  complete data sharing between all government agencies and more surveillance to stop a repeat of this and other incidents. 

 
 
 
 


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  #1183875 27-Nov-2014 10:29
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KiwiNZ: So those here aghast by the Smith incident would fully support  complete data sharing between all government agencies and more surveillance to stop a repeat of this and other incidents. 


How about if you get done for a serious offence, need welfare, or owe money in the form of outstanding fines etc, then data sharing kicks in.

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KiwiNZ: So those here aghast by the Smith incident would fully support  complete data sharing between all government agencies and more surveillance to stop a repeat of this and other incidents. 


You don't need full datasharing, or any increase in surveillance.  You just need the existing list of "do not fly" people to have a list of everyone in prison, and everyone on parole on it.

I don't want full datasharing.  I want communication.  The list of convicted people in prison is nearly completely public record (I don't know how many, if any keep name suppression while in prison).  So it's not like there are secret communications.  Just putting obvious no-travel people on the no-travel list.


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Sideface: UPDATE

Another Smith swindle revealed
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/63577364/Another-Smith-swindle-revealed

Phillip Smith could be released from prison
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/63582000/Phillip-Smith-could-be-released-from-prison

So Smith could hide out in Brazil whilst living on his NZ student accommodation allowance undecided


I kinda' figured this would happen.  Smith will probably jump the country if he is released.  I'm sure he will find a way.
Smith was right in the end.  It has proven significantly difficult for New Zealand to retrieve him after all.

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  #1184004 27-Nov-2014 12:45
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Karma will find him ...




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  #1184009 27-Nov-2014 12:54
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kiwitrc:
KiwiNZ: So those here aghast by the Smith incident would fully support  complete data sharing between all government agencies and more surveillance to stop a repeat of this and other incidents. 


How about if you get done for a serious offence, need welfare, or owe money in the form of outstanding fines etc, then data sharing kicks in.


Sounds like a very reasonable compromise. Although in terms of outstanding fines, there probably should be some cutoff at the bottom. It wouldn't seem fair to stop someone travelling because of an outstanding $20 parking fine.




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  #1184056 27-Nov-2014 13:57
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SaltyNZ:
kiwitrc:
KiwiNZ: So those here aghast by the Smith incident would fully support  complete data sharing between all government agencies and more surveillance to stop a repeat of this and other incidents. 


How about if you get done for a serious offence, need welfare, or owe money in the form of outstanding fines etc, then data sharing kicks in.


Sounds like a very reasonable compromise. Although in terms of outstanding fines, there probably should be some cutoff at the bottom. It wouldn't seem fair to stop someone travelling because of an outstanding $20 parking fine.


Immigration: Sorry you owe $20 so cant leave the country,

Holiday Dude: heres $20,

Immigration: thanks have a good trip.

Simple really.

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kiwitrc:
Immigration: Sorry you owe $20 so cant leave the country,

Holiday Dude: heres $20,

Immigration: thanks have a good trip.

Simple really.


In a sane world, yes. But we are talking about the government here. Something something a map, both hands and a torch...




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  #1184106 27-Nov-2014 14:33
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Whinery:
KiwiNZ: So those here aghast by the Smith incident would fully support  complete data sharing between all government agencies and more surveillance to stop a repeat of this and other incidents. 


You don't need full datasharing, or any increase in surveillance.  You just need the existing list of "do not fly" people to have a list of everyone in prison, and everyone on parole on it.

I don't want full datasharing.  I want communication.  The list of convicted people in prison is nearly completely public record (I don't know how many, if any keep name suppression while in prison).  So it's not like there are secret communications.  Just putting obvious no-travel people on the no-travel list.



Partial data sharing does not work. To be successful it has to be full data sharing across all agencies. There is partial/restricted sharing now and its a nightmare.

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