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  #1183098 26-Nov-2014 07:54
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SaltyNZ:
dickytim:

Zombies, the next attack will be Zombies.


People always laugh at me when I say that. Well, they won't be laughing when some shambling horror starts snacking on their juicy thigh, will they, eh!?


You are right, they wont be laughing.

I will be with my bug out pack and fortifications all sorted.

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  #1183106 26-Nov-2014 08:09
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Here we have more evidence that the much vaunted all-seeing-eye internet surveillance (remember, via Snowden we know GCHQ are taking direct feeds off the transatlantic fibres) doesn't work. Apparently MI5 didn't know because Facebook didn't tell them. If dragnet surveillance worked, Facebook wouldn't have to.




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  #1183157 26-Nov-2014 09:34
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SaltyNZ: Here we have more evidence that the much vaunted all-seeing-eye internet surveillance (remember, via Snowden we know GCHQ are taking direct feeds off the transatlantic fibres) doesn't work. Apparently MI5 didn't know because Facebook didn't tell them. If dragnet surveillance worked, Facebook wouldn't have to.


or it shows that the Agencies need more powers and more resources.

I can imagine the headlines "SIS stops terror attack following monitoring of Facebook, Opposition groups call for inquiry and curbs on agency's, this  breech of democracy"

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  #1183171 26-Nov-2014 09:46
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KiwiNZ:

or it shows that the Agencies need more powers and more resources.



If this:



or this:



Aren't enough resource, then we may as well spend it on hospitals, because those protect us from terrorists AND cancer.




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  #1183183 26-Nov-2014 10:08
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we need to cooperate with the guys if they are to be expected to share those resources with us. Therefore our local units need adequate resources and powers. 

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  #1183229 26-Nov-2014 11:45
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I've always wondered what might happen if I made several fake Facebook accounts, associated them with terrorist groups and perhaps did a little bit of "role play" with them.

Probably nothing, but it would be an interesting experiment.

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  #1183935 27-Nov-2014 11:21
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shk292:
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KiwiNZ: We do help others now, reference deployments in East Timor, Afghanistan, etc etc but we need a better self defence capability. 


Personally I would merge all three services into a single force based on the US Coast Guard model and restrict operations to NZ waters and territories. Defence of NZ, fisheries protection, anti drugs action and SAR responsibilities.

There's little point in participating in any other overseas actions when you only have 3000 personnel in toto.

We will never have a strong enough military to defend ourselves against all potential aggressors.  We need alliances, and the way to cement those is to participate in and contribute to overseas actions that are morally right and aligned with our alliances.  It can also be argued that as a wealthy, free country it is our moral duty to contribute to global peacekeeping, anti-terrorism and prevention of human rights abuses - I'm not at all religious but the good Samaritan is an analogy.  It's not enough to narrow-mindedly attend to problems that are only evident within our borders


Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq..the US with all its might still hasn't won any wars fully.

NZ population will not just let an armed force come onto our land and take it.....this is where licensed firearms owners would end up being our army, taking it to the bush and the streets.

 
 
 
 


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  #1183937 27-Nov-2014 11:27
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NZ population will not just let an armed force come onto our land and take it.....this is where licensed firearms owners would end up being our army, taking it to the bush and the streets.


I don't think you can really compare weekend warriors with bolt-action hunting rifles who generally contend with nothing worse than a terrifying lack of bacon for breakfast to a bunch of people who made guerrilla warfare into their national sport 3000 years ago.




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  #1184270 27-Nov-2014 16:27
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SaltyNZ:
heylinb4nz: 

NZ population will not just let an armed force come onto our land and take it.....this is where licensed firearms owners would end up being our army, taking it to the bush and the streets.


I don't think you can really compare weekend warriors with bolt-action hunting rifles who generally contend with nothing worse than a terrifying lack of bacon for breakfast to a bunch of people who made guerrilla warfare into their national sport 3000 years ago.


Wasn't Tame Iti and his mob of merry men getting ready for such an incursion til the killjoys at AOS et al put a big damp squib over it all ?

You'd be able to hide out in the Urewera's etc quite well, mounting guerilla attacks on unwelcome armed migrants.






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  #1186478 1-Dec-2014 16:51
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Presumeably you dont live next door to this guy http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11366879



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bigal_nz: Presumeably you dont live next door to this guy http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11366879




He's a great example of why such laws are not necessary. The police are perfectly well aware of him already. If they have reason to believe he's a serious threat and not just a nutter, then they shouldn't have any difficulty getting a warrant to surveil him, should they?




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  #1186568 1-Dec-2014 18:53
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bigal_nz: Presumeably you dont live next door to this guy http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11366879




He's a great example of why such laws are not necessary. The police are perfectly well aware of him already. If they have reason to believe he's a serious threat and not just a nutter, then they shouldn't have any difficulty getting a warrant to surveil him, should they?


This. If he was trying to forment insurrection in secret he should make more of an effort to stay out of the news.

What danger do NZers going to fight for ISIS pose to NZ, anyway? I understand current legislation would allow us to arrest them when they got home, so fail to see the need for urgency.

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  #1186596 1-Dec-2014 19:57
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Ben Goldacre on why datamining for terrorist proclivities is unworkable: http://www.badscience.net/2009/02/datamining-would-be-lovely-if-it-worked/

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rhy7s: Ben Goldacre on why datamining for terrorist proclivities is unworkable: http://www.badscience.net/2009/02/datamining-would-be-lovely-if-it-worked/


The stupid thing about mass surveillance of electronic communications is that you can defeat it by avoiding electronic communications entirely.

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  #1197840 15-Dec-2014 14:58
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SaltyNZ: According to these guys, terrorism deaths are as high as 10 people a year. Well... in some places. Not here. Actually, here there haven't been any. But still: 10 people a year, in places far far away. John Key, get right on that please. I'm so very frightened.


Or perhaps the laws could help stop people like this  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11374445 before they do things like take hostages?

Your nieve if you think it cant happen in NZ.


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