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  Reply # 1207512 3-Jan-2015 09:40
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Loismustdye: Bunch of tards that jus ruin big events like this for everyone else.
Kids and booze does not mix, this just proves it.

Back in the day we used to go to the gathering in Nelson, upwards of 10,000 people, no booze, cars were searched as they entered and very little trouble..... Although this could be related to the fact that most people there were on illegal substances and just had a good time... And no one cut anybody else's hands off with a samurai sword either :-)


Just because a few douchecanoes made a mess in a campsite doesn't really give a valid justification to reject a liquor license for an entire festival. I mentioned this in an earlier post but where this riot occurred is a solid 15-20 minute drive away from where the vineyard that R&V is held on is. Two seperate places :)

Would be interesting to see the average age of people in BW, on-site at R&V and people staying in their own accomodation that attended.




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  Reply # 1207537 3-Jan-2015 10:05
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Flickky:

Just because a few douchecanoes made a mess in a campsite doesn't really give a valid justification to reject a liquor license for an entire festival. I mentioned this in an earlier post but where this riot occurred is a solid 15-20 minute drive away from where the vineyard that R&V is held on is. Two seperate places :)


Justified it for Xmas In the Park at Auckland Domain. Was thoroughly enjoyable with a shared bottle of vino and snacks, sitting up on the bank, Now with a non-alcohol policy, we no longer go.




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  Reply # 1207542 3-Jan-2015 10:20
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In my view if you need alcohol to have a good time you need to reevaluate your priorities.

I went to plenty of festivals that were alcohol free. Plus others that weren't while living in Europe.

As the saying goes. It's not what we are drinking it's how we are drinking that is the problem.

Edit: I have been to probably close to 50 Festivals mostly in Netherlands but also Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, France & Germany when I lived in the Netherlands, including attending Roskilde in 2001 after 9 people had died the year before where there were 100k+ people onsite. I have never seen the level of intoxication that I have seen at English and NZ festivals. The Europeans for the most part didn't have a "lets get paralytic drunk" attitude. And for the ones who were seriously drunk then there were others around making sure they were ok.

I never went to Glastonbury but I know all major festivals have reasonable limits on the amount of alcohol you can bring onsite.

If you look at the ratio's of volunteers to guests at the big festivals then you see that there are a whole lot of people who are just walking around as quasi-security / helpers to assist those in need and make sure things don't get out of control.

I think NZ needs to grow up as a drinking country, and in regards to festivals. And treat them as the businesses they are (even if the costs go up more than they already have!) to properly manage the crowds is required at large events. And by international standards B&W and R&V are chicken feed.

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  Reply # 1207547 3-Jan-2015 10:34
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I'm not really sure the point of this thread.

 

     

  1. Some young (and not so young) people are idiots.
  2. Add excessive alcohol and/or drugs and/or gang mentality and the number and severity of idiots increases exponentially
  3. Said idiots will blame everybody else for their actions instead of taking personal responsibility ("If the Police weren't there this wouldn't have happened") 
  4. New restrictions/rules/laws are created to pander to said idiots because they don't have the ability to set and recognize their own boundaries and society seems to bow down to the lowest common denominators.
  5. Fun loving people with their own sense of morality and personal limitations will be affected in order to pander to the minority of idiots
  6. Excessive amounts of money and time will be used up pandering to the idiots, which would be much better spent elsewhere in society
  7. Idiots will always exist




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  Reply # 1207550 3-Jan-2015 10:41
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scuwp: I'm not really sure the point of this thread.

 

     

  1. Some young (and not so young) people are idiots.
  2. Add excessive alcohol and/or drugs and/or gang mentality and the number and severity of idiots increases exponentially
  3. Said idiots will blame everybody else for their actions instead of taking personal responsibility ("If the Police weren't there this wouldn't have happened") 
  4. New restrictions/rules/laws are created to pander to said idiots because they don't have the ability to set and recognize their own boundaries and society seems to bow down to the lowest common denominators.
  5. Fun loving people with their own sense of morality and personal limitations will be affected in order to pander to the minority of idiots
  6. Excessive amounts of money and time will be used up pandering to the idiots, which would be much better spent elsewhere in society
  7. Idiots will always exist

 



Very well said! The dog chipping law is a great example of your points.




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  Reply # 1207740 3-Jan-2015 17:23
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plambrechtsen: In my view if you need alcohol to have a good time you need to reevaluate your priorities.


There is nothing wrong with wanting to share a nice bottle of red with some friends in a picnic type scenario, and it does not have to lead to being 'paralytic' or whatever your term was.  The problem in NZ is not the so much the laws (altho I wouldn't complain if the drinking age was lifted) so much as those disfunctional families that do not appear to be able to introduce their young ones to the reality of drinking and getting messed up.

I remember family and friends having a good time around a beach fire, where nobody had to become an arse.  Now we are not allowed to have either the fire or the alcohol on many of our fine beaches, because of the bad behaviour of idiots, who were simply never educated on how to have a good time and respect others at the same time.  "I blame the parenting" is my final statement!

 

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  Reply # 1207750 3-Jan-2015 17:41
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scuwp: I'm not really sure the point of this thread.

 

     

  1. New restrictions/rules/laws are created to pander to said idiots because they don't have the ability to set and recognize their own boundaries and society seems to bow down to the lowest common denominators.

 


That's what society is about... Stopping the dangerous hurting themselves and others.



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  Reply # 1207966 4-Jan-2015 10:26
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Flickky: 
Just because a few douchecanoes made a mess in a campsite doesn't really give a valid justification to reject a liquor license for an entire festival. I mentioned this in an earlier post but where this riot occurred is a solid 15-20 minute drive away from where the vineyard that R&V is held on is. Two seperate places :)

Would be interesting to see the average age of people in BW, on-site at R&V and people staying in their own accomodation that attended.


I hear you - I've been to BW & onsite in the past, and on-site was pretty special with BYO booze but still felt safe & secure (two words I wouldn't associate with BW). Being R20 seemed to cut down on the shenanigans in on-site, but I wonder how many 20+ individuals still chose BW for the ruckus atmosphere (perhaps these are the troublemakers?). Average age of those arrested/kicked out would also be an interesting statistic


That said, if we look across the country, BW & RNV with BYO alcohol are anomalies - I can't think of any other NYE or similar festivals with BYO alcohol in the campgrounds. Given the obligations associated with a liquor license, it's a bit of joke that they can get away with this as the organisers/security can't really cut intoxicated people off.





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  Reply # 1207974 4-Jan-2015 11:39
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the under age kids go to Pihia and BYO their stuff camping.




 


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  Reply # 1208027 4-Jan-2015 14:58
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What country has the highest drinking age? Some US states are 21 still - anywhere higher?





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  Reply # 1208029 4-Jan-2015 15:10
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Geektastic: What country has the highest drinking age? Some US states are 21 still - anywhere higher?

not sure but I don't think the age is NZs problem. I'd raise it to 19 but really we need to address how young children are exposed to it. Learning to drive before you are allowed to drink is interesting for instance also.

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  Reply # 1208105 4-Jan-2015 18:32
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Jaxson:
Geektastic: What country has the highest drinking age? Some US states are 21 still - anywhere higher?

not sure but I don't think the age is NZs problem. I'd raise it to 19 but really we need to address how young children are exposed to it. Learning to drive before you are allowed to drink is interesting for instance also.


Agreed.

I was just wondering if imposing a 21 age limit at events would get rid of some of the behavioural issues alcohol misuse creates. The muppets who thought BYO was a good plan for this must need psychiatric help.





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  Reply # 1208108 4-Jan-2015 18:35
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Geektastic:
Jaxson:
Geektastic: What country has the highest drinking age? Some US states are 21 still - anywhere higher?

not sure but I don't think the age is NZs problem. I'd raise it to 19 but really we need to address how young children are exposed to it. Learning to drive before you are allowed to drink is interesting for instance also.


Agreed.

I was just wondering if imposing a 21 age limit at events would get rid of some of the behavioural issues alcohol misuse creates. The muppets who thought BYO was a good plan for this must need psychiatric help.


In this case the event was elsewhere, and the trouble happened at a campground.  Not sure if the two are formally linked?  eg is RnV connected formally to BW?

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Yeah it is - most people (if not all) will stay in BW and then buy an R&V add-on to their camping ticket. There are buses that run from the campground to the R&V site. However BW does have its own music festival kinda thing before R&V starts - hence why formally linked but not the same.





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  Reply # 1208272 5-Jan-2015 05:37
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TimA: I went there, Yup.
In the middle of the riots.
Definitely was not premeditated, They happen every year.
What sparked them is the anal level of security. How every bag is checked, How the 4 camp grounds are separate and you cant go into the other ones.
Everywhere you try and go there is a line and you need to be patted down and any bags searched. Causing 45 minute long lines.
The group i was with were known as the "frog lickers" because they were high on everything looking for frogs at 4am with flash lights.
My mates merged with some mutual friends from the form below. They were stealing gazebos and camp chairs. Most of them couldnt handle the drink and were on the binge. They destroyed other sites for the heck of it and our site too.

Thats my tent on fire and my mate casually taking a selfie!
Just general picture

You can see the fence down that separates the sites.

Quad bike that was torched.

Same again

Tents torched next to the fence


As an security guard who's worked the R&V you have no idea of what your talking about we are not anal and bag checks are for things like drugs weapons and booze if you bought a ticket you agreed to this if you don't like it then you know what to do DON'T GO and as for riots happening every year they do not in 2012 there were alot of tent fires yes but those were set by the owner of the tent who did not intend to be going back after the main concert finished and the majority of them were taken into custody red carded and trespassed so never got to the R&V concert on new years eve...

If you think this sort of behaviour is OK then perhaps you should not be going to R&V we do our best to stop alot of illegal stuff from coming in if you don't like what we do then sod off to somewhere else  

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