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  Reply # 1208273 5-Jan-2015 06:00
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DarthKermit: I think an old fart like me (born in 1970) wouldn't have been welcome at that gathering. Hehe.


For older people like me n you there is a site at awapuni school nice time had by all because it's mostly older generation who know how to have a good time without becoming an ahole 

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  Reply # 1208444 5-Jan-2015 11:56
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All our laws seem to target getting the alcohol without really targeting the bad behavior which upsets people.

Bring in compulsory fines for being intoxicated.

Target the behaviour to change our drinking culture.

I was stung for $200 for my expired registration on my car and am now very careful about it.

$200 for being intoxicated in a public place (including walking home from bar), would produce a lot of moaning and winging but might change behaviour.

Changing drinking ages or license conditions won't change behaviour, most of us (of a certain age) had no difficulty getting hold of alcohol and getting drunk with previous more restrictive rules.

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  Reply # 1208467 5-Jan-2015 12:31
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afe66, good idea.  Target the end result behaviour, not the method to get there.

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  Reply # 1208536 5-Jan-2015 13:42
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Stadiums do bag searches and its not a problem. I think the riots were caused by idiots with nothing better to do than ruin everyone else's fun, maybe its time we tidy up the gene poll and start culling some of the herd.




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  Reply # 1208543 5-Jan-2015 13:50
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BTR: Stadiums do bag searches and its not a problem. I think the riots were caused by idiots with nothing better to do than ruin everyone else's fun, maybe its time we tidy up the gene poll and start culling some of the herd.









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  Reply # 1209209 6-Jan-2015 13:36
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plambrechtsen:
TimA:
Flickky:
TimA:
kiwitrc: Looks like pretty good fun, get laid?

Hahaha
Yeah 3 times.
And yes all on the scale upwards of 7/10
JohnR will be proud.

you must have been pretty drunk to rate your hand a 7+ out of 10

I think if we discuss further detail the Mods wont be happy.

I saw no selfies on stalkbook so I am calling into question the validity of your assertions.smile

Damm I just now feel old, but the Gathering and Entrain were fun times. The youf of today getting pished up and starting riots. Didn't happen in my day.



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  Reply # 1209564 6-Jan-2015 22:08
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afe66: All our laws seem to target getting the alcohol without really targeting the bad behavior which upsets people.

Bring in compulsory fines for being intoxicated.

Target the behaviour to change our drinking culture.

I was stung for $200 for my expired registration on my car and am now very careful about it.

$200 for being intoxicated in a public place (including walking home from bar), would produce a lot of moaning and winging but might change behaviour.

Changing drinking ages or license conditions won't change behaviour, most of us (of a certain age) had no difficulty getting hold of alcohol and getting drunk with previous more restrictive rules.

A.








A 24 hour 'drunk tank' like they have in the US might be worthwhile. You get locked up for 24hrs so have to explain to your employer that you have an alcohol abuse problem if you miss work as a result!





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  Reply # 1209878 7-Jan-2015 13:19
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TimA: On the topic of the DJ's.
I would love to get the mix P-Money played. Was amazing.



Currently working on this atm and will share with you if I happen to obtain the audio.

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Geektastic:
afe66: All our laws seem to target getting the alcohol without really targeting the bad behavior which upsets people.

Bring in compulsory fines for being intoxicated.

Target the behaviour to change our drinking culture.

I was stung for $200 for my expired registration on my car and am now very careful about it.

$200 for being intoxicated in a public place (including walking home from bar), would produce a lot of moaning and winging but might change behaviour.

Changing drinking ages or license conditions won't change behaviour, most of us (of a certain age) had no difficulty getting hold of alcohol and getting drunk with previous more restrictive rules.

A.








A 24 hour 'drunk tank' like they have in the US might be worthwhile. You get locked up for 24hrs so have to explain to your employer that you have an alcohol abuse problem if you miss work as a result!


easier just to ban alcohol at these events. I am sure folks can go with out for a couple of days and if they cannot they have a larger personal problem.
It is possible to have a good time without booze. 




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  Reply # 1210058 7-Jan-2015 18:04
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KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
afe66: 




easier just to ban alcohol at these events. I am sure folks can go with out for a couple of days and if they cannot they have a larger personal problem.
It is possible to have a good time without booze. 


The problem with that is if you do that then you may aswell just can R&V and the BW camp because no one will show up for it, the better thing to do would be to manage the alcohol being consumed within the camp grounds by 

A: No more BYO, on-site sale only regulated by how much you can purchase each day. 
as patrons use a wrist band to pay for things it would be easy to set up a limit for alcohol purchases via this system 

B: Drug dogs on-site to stop illegal substance abuse (bag searches can only do so much to stem the flow of drugs into the camp) we as security guards are not allowed to do body searches. 




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  Reply # 1210137 7-Jan-2015 20:05
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Athlonite:
KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
afe66: 




easier just to ban alcohol at these events. I am sure folks can go with out for a couple of days and if they cannot they have a larger personal problem.
It is possible to have a good time without booze. 


The problem with that is if you do that then you may aswell just can R&V and the BW camp because no one will show up for it, the better thing to do would be to manage the alcohol being consumed within the camp grounds by 

A: No more BYO, on-site sale only regulated by how much you can purchase each day. 
as patrons use a wrist band to pay for things it would be easy to set up a limit for alcohol purchases via this system 

B: Drug dogs on-site to stop illegal substance abuse (bag searches can only do so much to stem the flow of drugs into the camp) we as security guards are not allowed to do body searches. 



They had "Drug" dogs.
Turns out they were a scare tactic. A person i know went in with illegal substances and the dog looked at him.  I spoke to an officer and he confirmed that. 




 


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  Reply # 1210271 7-Jan-2015 23:42
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KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
afe66: All our laws seem to target getting the alcohol without really targeting the bad behavior which upsets people.

Bring in compulsory fines for being intoxicated.

Target the behaviour to change our drinking culture.

I was stung for $200 for my expired registration on my car and am now very careful about it.

$200 for being intoxicated in a public place (including walking home from bar), would produce a lot of moaning and winging but might change behaviour.

Changing drinking ages or license conditions won't change behaviour, most of us (of a certain age) had no difficulty getting hold of alcohol and getting drunk with previous more restrictive rules.

A.








A 24 hour 'drunk tank' like they have in the US might be worthwhile. You get locked up for 24hrs so have to explain to your employer that you have an alcohol abuse problem if you miss work as a result!


easier just to ban alcohol at these events. I am sure folks can go with out for a couple of days and if they cannot they have a larger personal problem.
It is possible to have a good time without booze. 


I agree. I recall going to Toast Martinborough one year and enquiring if they had any soft drinks. "No - this is a wine festival!" came the reply. "What about all the people driving? It doesn't turn it into a Coke festival if you sell them a few cans!" I said. "There's free water over there." came the reply. The organiser seemed unable to grasp that drivers ought not to be drinking or that people may want to come and enjoy the music and food etc without using alcohol.

Compare that dunderheaded approach to the concert I attended (Steely Dan I think) at Church Road vineyard in Hawkes Bay. If you identified yourself as a responsible driver, they gave you a different wrist band and you got free soft drinks all day. A far better response.

I think that 'alcohol and drug free' events will become more common and if  that means less morons buy tickets, well that will be a splendid outcome.





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TimA: They had "Drug" dogs.
Turns out they were a scare tactic. A person i know went in with illegal substances and the dog looked at him.  I spoke to an officer and he confirmed that. 


Did you personally see anyone smoking dope there?




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  Reply # 1210401 8-Jan-2015 10:15
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Regards fining people for being over intoxicated, something my hospital working wife told me recently, is that if a drunk gets so bad they are bought in by ambulance, it is covered by ACC.  If they just arrive at an ED then they are not covered by ACC.  I imagine they get a bill from St John, but the rest of us are paying for their hospital care.




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  Reply # 1210882 9-Jan-2015 00:50
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TLD: Regards fining people for being over intoxicated, something my hospital working wife told me recently, is that if a drunk gets so bad they are bought in by ambulance, it is covered by ACC.  If they just arrive at an ED then they are not covered by ACC.  I imagine they get a bill from St John, but the rest of us are paying for their hospital care.


I think ACC needs to examine the doctrine of 'contributory negligence'.

Where a person's acts or omissions contribute significantly to the 'accident' the ACC should pay only 50% of the cost.





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