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  Reply # 1242894 20-Feb-2015 10:33
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DarthKermit: I vote for nuking Auckland! tongue-out


I didn't say it wasn't a good idea, just that I want to know beforehand. Sheesh!




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  Reply # 1242896 20-Feb-2015 10:34
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I am interested in how you deny ISIS the use of social media.  It's a powerful source of $ and recruits.

ISIS are presumably engaging in hate speech, soliciting murder and all sorts of other crimes.  Most of this is illegal in NZ and many other countries.

Where is the accountability of Facebook, Twitter et al?  

Find a way to prosecute them for publishing ISIS's hate speech.  Hammer them with fine, after fine, after until they invest enough moderation resource to deny ISIS a voice on their sites. 

Do the same to anyone who hosts ISIS's hate speech and can be reached by a member of a coalition of governments opposed to ISIS.










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  Reply # 1242953 20-Feb-2015 11:31
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DarthKermit: I vote for nuking Auckland! tongue-out


Might solve the house price issue in Auckland at the same time...




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DarthKermit: I vote for nuking Auckland! tongue-out


Then there'd be Aucklanders scattered through out the rest of the country, who the hell wants that?

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MikeAqua: I am interested in how you deny ISIS the use of social media.  It's a powerful source of $ and recruits.

ISIS are presumably engaging in hate speech, soliciting murder and all sorts of other crimes.  Most of this is illegal in NZ and many other countries.

Where is the accountability of Facebook, Twitter et al?  

Find a way to prosecute them for publishing ISIS's hate speech.  Hammer them with fine, after fine, after until they invest enough moderation resource to deny ISIS a voice on their sites. 

Do the same to anyone who hosts ISIS's hate speech and can be reached by a member of a coalition of governments opposed to ISIS.

Stating the obvious - twitter do take down Isis accounts. Although, I see Anonymous have been doing so also. The problem with this approach is that you end up just banning speech itself.

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  Reply # 1243112 20-Feb-2015 15:16
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Yes but (stating the obvious) not fast enough. 

ISIS seems to create new accounts faster than mods can take them down - which really just means under resourcing of moderation by the website owner.  Just because a free account model is used, does not mean a lower ethical standard should be applied IMO.

And I'm OK with banning particularly offensive speech that incites criminal behaviour or is explicitly bigoted and offensive.

Hate speech is illegal in NZ.  For example, a person was convicted and fined in NZ for something like sending a Muslim family letters with pork in them.

Inciting violence and soliciting murder is illegal in NZ and that is a limitation on free speech.

gzt:
Stating the obvious - twitter do take down Isis accounts. Although, I see Anonymous have been doing so also. The problem with this approach is that you end up just banning speech itself.




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  Reply # 1243227 20-Feb-2015 18:01
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SaltyNZ:
DarthKermit: I vote for nuking Auckland! tongue-out


I didn't say it wasn't a good idea, just that I want to know beforehand. Sheesh!


I recall a cold war era film or TV program which included a line something like "Where do you want to be when the nukes start falling?" to which the reply was "Pissed as a fart and standing underneath the first one!"







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  Reply # 1243236 20-Feb-2015 18:17
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Geektastic:
SaltyNZ:
DarthKermit: I vote for nuking Auckland! tongue-out


I didn't say it wasn't a good idea, just that I want to know beforehand. Sheesh!


I recall a cold war era film or TV program which included a line something like "Where do you want to be when the nukes start falling?" to which the reply was "Pissed as a fart and standing underneath the first one!"


I feel hard done by now for having never consumed alcohol.

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  Reply # 1243263 20-Feb-2015 19:26
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Glassboy:
DarthKermit: I vote for nuking Auckland! tongue-out


Then there'd be Aucklanders scattered through out the rest of the country, who the hell wants that?


Auckland, That is excluding the shore right? Cause Shore ForShore?





 




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  Reply # 1243319 20-Feb-2015 21:41
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TimA:
Glassboy:
DarthKermit: I vote for nuking Auckland! tongue-out


Then there'd be Aucklanders scattered through out the rest of the country, who the hell wants that?


Auckland, That is excluding the shore right? Cause Shore ForShore?



And because on the signs above the north side of the Auckland Harbour Bridge it has "North Shore - Major Turn Off" on one which is incredibly adept :-)


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  Reply # 1243320 20-Feb-2015 21:44
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Geektastic: 
I recall a cold war era film or TV program which included a line something like "Where do you want to be when the nukes start falling?" to which the reply was "Pissed as a fart and standing underneath the first one!"


This has to be the definitive film on the subject http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352854/ .

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  Reply # 1243382 21-Feb-2015 02:37
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gzt:
Stating the obvious - twitter do take down Isis accounts. Although, I see Anonymous have been doing so also. The problem with this approach is that you end up just banning speech itself.


MikeAqua: Yes but (stating the obvious) not fast enough. 

ISIS seems to create new accounts faster than mods can take them down - which really just means under resourcing of moderation by the website owner.  Just because a free account model is used, does not mean a lower ethical standard should be applied IMO.

And I'm OK with banning particularly offensive speech that incites criminal behaviour or is explicitly bigoted and offensive.

Hate speech is illegal in NZ.  For example, a person was convicted and fined in NZ for something like sending a Muslim family letters with pork in them.

Inciting violence and soliciting murder is illegal in NZ and that is a limitation on free speech.


Prosecuting criminal instances and banning are two different things.

You are advocating banning. In practice this requires very strong censorship.

Putting the practicalities aside (even China cannot keep up) there are all kinds of crazy consequences of that.




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  Reply # 1243387 21-Feb-2015 03:59
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Isis will attack and kill anyone who does not agree with the bizarre beliefs and commands of Isis. They have killed thousands of Muslims, and will continue to kill and terrorise Muslims. I can't see them stopping. But the reality is they are a symptom of a civil war, not a cause. Likewise their foreign recruits are used for propaganda value.

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  Reply # 1243453 21-Feb-2015 09:13
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Geektastic:
SaltyNZ:
DarthKermit: I vote for nuking Auckland! tongue-out


I didn't say it wasn't a good idea, just that I want to know beforehand. Sheesh!


I recall a cold war era film or TV program which included a line something like "Where do you want to be when the nukes start falling?" to which the reply was "Pissed as a fart and standing underneath the first one!"


I feel hard done by now for having never consumed alcohol.


I've never been nuked, either. We should start a support group.




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  Reply # 1243457 21-Feb-2015 09:20
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what if, in the survival of the best adapted and strongest, in the past dinosaurs ruled the earth, maybe natural selection is doing its thing? and maybe we are powerless agaisnt it




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