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Topic # 165839 22-Feb-2015 14:50
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Off topic.  I've pretty much worked only for the public and not for profit organisations like ambulance/fire service.  Clearly compared to a normal company they have different purposes.  Take banks, financial companies, power companies etc.  They are significant and a large employer here and worldwide.  That is pretty much working for profits right?  They might be providing a product or service to customers but they need to connect with them and use them to get that profit.  That might mean increase their margins, colllude, minimise customer rebates, venture into other places to bring in more money.  To you guys how do you deal with that is a job just a job kind of thing? 

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  Reply # 1244144 22-Feb-2015 14:58
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What!?




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why would you feel guilty for working for a company that makes a profit?

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1244170 22-Feb-2015 15:10
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I would actually feel less like I am achieving anything by working at a place that doesnt make a profit. How can you get a share of sucess when there isnt any?




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richms: I would actually feel less like I am achieving anything by working at a place that doesnt make a profit. How can you get a share of sucess when there isnt any?


I'd suggest saving a life is achieving something.








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  Reply # 1244178 22-Feb-2015 15:17
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But that can be done while making a decent profit for those involved at the same time. The whole idea of a non profit is something I find crazy.




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  Reply # 1244181 22-Feb-2015 15:25
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Response rate to get the fire trucks out - eg.  Saving lifes, helping the sick.  Protecting the NZ border.  Administering immigration, overseas education qualifications, managing the pension process for those that are entitled for it.  Policing financial companies.  For companies if you can charge them more you do it.  If others do it you follow suite. 

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  Reply # 1244184 22-Feb-2015 15:33
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richms: But that can be done while making a decent profit for those involved at the same time. The whole idea of a non profit is something I find crazy.


so shall we ask the police, fire service, St Johns and the hospitals not to care for you because of that sort of attitude?

such an ignorant response, and its kinda disgusting people have that attitude

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  Reply # 1244193 22-Feb-2015 15:42
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No, we should ask those places to operate at a profit, particually health.




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richms: No, we should ask those places to operate at a profit, particually health.


and who is going to pay for the service?

are you going to pay if you have to call the fire service out to put a fire out in your house? are you going to pay if you have to call the police cause your house was burgled?

those who can afford to pay for health have private health insurance, those who dont used the public system because they CANT AFFORD TO PAY.

over 50% of people in the country cant or couldn't afford to pay for those services

you might be able to but whos to say anyone else could

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  Reply # 1244211 22-Feb-2015 15:58
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richms: I would actually feel less like I am achieving anything by working at a place that doesnt make a profit. How can you get a share of sucess when there isnt any?


Making a profit for your employer is how you see yourself as being a 'success?' 



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  Reply # 1244214 22-Feb-2015 16:02
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MaxLV: Making a profit for your employer is how you see yourself as being a 'success?' 


As generally there are bonuses based on it, and you also have the sense of achieveing something, furthuring yourself while staying in the same place and in general growing something, yes. Working at a place full of bumbling old people with no drive is the most taxing thing ever, even if it is relativly profitable.

The reliance of things like st johns on "volunteers" to do work is IMO offensive. It should be a proper business, funded by the government properly if people want to have a free service which is it quite clear that is expected in NZ.




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  Reply # 1244216 22-Feb-2015 16:06
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richms: No, we should ask those places to operate at a profit, particually health.


And if they don't make a 'profit' (return on capital investment) they get shut down? What a strange $$$$ driven country you want us all to live in... 

And IMHO what the principal thing that is wrong with New Zealand, the current government, and those that support the government, at this point in godzones history. Get rid of the social principals this country was founded on because they * dont make a profit *.

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  Reply # 1244218 22-Feb-2015 16:08
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richms: No, we should ask those places to operate at a profit, particually health.


Are you actually serious?
Ok, lets imagine the Police now have to operate at a profit: You're pulled up twice a day and given a massive speeding ticket because the 'No Tolerance' policy is now mandatory for the Police to increase their income.

The Fire Service: "Oh? You haven't paid your special NZFire insurance premium? We'll just stand outside your flaming house and poor water down the drain and laugh at you for not helping us achieve a profit!"

And the Health Service (which is probably the most ridiculous): "Welcome to A&E! I see you've had both your arms crushed in a terrible traffic accident, what a shame, we'll get you fixed right up! That'll be a $3,000.00 initial charge for processing, just swipe your card and enter your pin... Oh you can't do that because of your hands? Well try your nose then. I'll be right back, I have to go and rip out someone's gold fillings to help us generate our profit. Good luck!"

10/10 Nice troll.

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  Reply # 1244221 22-Feb-2015 16:11
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I see lots of different answers posted to a question that I don't understand.
Perhaps the OP could clarify his/her question?

Otherwise the OP is asking for the Meaning of Life, The Universe, and Everything.




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