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  Reply # 1300353 8-May-2015 07:55
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MikeB4: She got what she deserved, she was greedy and taking from the present and the future.



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  Reply # 1300355 8-May-2015 08:16
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Aredwood: Boats and vehicles that are used for illegal fishing have always been forfeited to the crown if you get caught. If she had used a $500 bomb of a car to collect shellfish in she would have only lost that.

Got no problem with her loosing that Audi though.

This has got me thinking - drink drive penalties should be increased to: Forfeit the car you were driving in if caught. And if it is not your car - A fine of the value of that car added onto the original punishment / fine for drink driving.


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Then there are these 2. $40,000 fine for not wearing a helmet on a quad bike and $5,000 fine for doing illegal gasfitting that causes a gas explosion that kills someone.




Yes. My point is as much the fact that placing human beings at risk apparently gains you an easy ride when compared to placing small and generally unpleasant to eat cockles at risk. Besides which, many cockles will continue to live in places not accessible to human beings, so to suggest that harvesting them from the relatively few areas humans go is somehow likely to cause oceanic collapse is a bit unlikely.

I completely agree that the vehicles of drink drivers should be seized at the roadside and sold to fund policing. If they want the car they can buy it back at auction.







 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1300370 8-May-2015 08:31
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Geektastic:

Yes. My point is as much the fact that placing human beings at risk apparently gains you an easy ride when compared to placing small and generally unpleasant to eat cockles at risk. Besides which, many cockles will continue to live in places not accessible to human beings, so to suggest that harvesting them from the relatively few areas humans go is somehow likely to cause oceanic collapse is a bit unlikely.

I completely agree that the vehicles of drink drivers should be seized at the roadside and sold to fund policing. If they want the car they can buy it back at auction.




There are plenty examples of shellfish colonies collapsing in NZ waters. 

Cockles are more popular than you may think. I've seen large groups of people gathering them at times. 




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  Reply # 1300373 8-May-2015 08:36
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Geektastic:
Aredwood: Boats and vehicles that are used for illegal fishing have always been forfeited to the crown if you get caught. If she had used a $500 bomb of a car to collect shellfish in she would have only lost that.

Got no problem with her loosing that Audi though.

This has got me thinking - drink drive penalties should be increased to: Forfeit the car you were driving in if caught. And if it is not your car - A fine of the value of that car added onto the original punishment / fine for drink driving.


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Then there are these 2. $40,000 fine for not wearing a helmet on a quad bike and $5,000 fine for doing illegal gasfitting that causes a gas explosion that kills someone.




Yes. My point is as much the fact that placing human beings at risk apparently gains you an easy ride when compared to placing small and generally unpleasant to eat cockles at risk. Besides which, many cockles will continue to live in places not accessible to human beings, so to suggest that harvesting them from the relatively few areas humans go is somehow likely to cause oceanic collapse is a bit unlikely.

I completely agree that the vehicles of drink drivers should be seized at the roadside and sold to fund policing. If they want the car they can buy it back at auction.




Where is this place not accessible to human beings?

I live in quite a remote coastal area of New Zealand. There is massive impact from poaching out here. Paua, in particular have been absolutely hammered, even in the most hard to reach places..
Poachers come in by boat and 4 wheel drives, they're happy to risk forfeiture as the rewards of one successful trip will buy them a new one.

On Te Oneroa-a-Tohe (Ninety Mile Beach) the Toheroa are all missing, the Tuatua that used to cover the beach are only left in small patches, and small - juveniles..
I regularly collect seafood, but am careful to only take what I and my family can eat, and the amount and species we're legally allowed.

We're talking about the wanton destruction of a whole ecosystem. Completely fair penalty in my view.

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  Reply # 1300376 8-May-2015 08:40
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Geektastic:

Yes. My point is as much the fact that placing human beings at risk apparently gains you an easy ride when compared to placing small and generally unpleasant to eat cockles at risk. Besides which, many cockles will continue to live in places not accessible to human beings, so to suggest that harvesting them from the relatively few areas humans go is somehow likely to cause oceanic collapse is a bit unlikely.

I completely agree that the vehicles of drink drivers should be seized at the roadside and sold to fund policing. If they want the car they can buy it back at auction.




There are plenty examples of shellfish colonies collapsing in NZ waters. 

Cockles are more popular than you may think. I've seen large groups of people gathering them at times. 





Yep.

Our future as a species is linked to the Cockle and all other Sea life.




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  Reply # 1300420 8-May-2015 09:08
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MikeB4: She got what she deserved, she was greedy and taking from the present and the future.


Agreed, and whilst it may seem out of proportion to other criminal activity, we should be glad that SOME crimes are finally getting a decent punishment and deterrent. 

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  Reply # 1300421 8-May-2015 09:10
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It was not like she had just a few over, she had 1,162 Cockles, 183 Whelks and  960 Oysters. A daily limit for Cockles is 50. Rock Oysters and Whelks and combined limit of 50 other shellfish per day.




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  Reply # 1300425 8-May-2015 09:16
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MikeB4: It was not like she had just a few over, she had 1,162 Cockles, 183 Whelks and  960 Oysters. A daily limit for Cockles is 50. Rock Oysters and Whelks and combined limit of 50 other shellfish per day.

Commercial quantities.
Maybe she was a professional cockle converter, and bought her Audi with the proceeds?  undecided




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  Reply # 1300487 8-May-2015 10:04
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I like the idea in some jurisdictions overseas, that any fine will be a given % of the persons gross income, depending n the crime.    




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  Reply # 1300489 8-May-2015 10:07
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The moral of the story? She shoulda been caught with a cheap, crappy car. Like the one my neighbour is trying to sell for $1200.




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  Reply # 1300506 8-May-2015 10:28
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DarthKermit: The moral of the story? She shoulda been caught with a cheap, crappy car. Like the one my neighbour is trying to sell for $1200.


I would have thought the moral of the story was... 'don't be a greedy twat and don't take from this generation and future generations'.




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  Reply # 1300508 8-May-2015 10:28
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Sorry but in no sane world is collecting too many shellfish worth a fine of $130,000 when driving 4 times over the limit probably won't get you $1000 fine.

I'm not suggesting the shellfish fine was too high - I'm suggesting that all the other ones are way too low.





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  Reply # 1300521 8-May-2015 10:34
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Geektastic: Sorry but in no sane world is collecting too many shellfish worth a fine of $130,000 when driving 4 times over the limit probably won't get you $1000 fine.

I'm not suggesting the shellfish fine was too high - I'm suggesting that all the other ones are way too low.


It's not a fine of $130,000. The law prescribes penalties that the equipment used to commit the offence is forfeited. If it were a $30 Morris Marina or a $750,000 launch. If you are going be a greedy twat then suffer the consequences. The outcome
was completely avoidable for her.




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  Reply # 1300523 8-May-2015 10:35
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MikeB4:
Geektastic:
Dratsab: Would this not happen in the UK? 


We buy food in shops there - we largely gave up living off the land as we moved into the 20th century.....


So all those people you see collecting mushrooms etc in the English country or gathering shellfish in the estuaries or fishing are just imaginary.


Always a few fringe people who can't find Waitrose or Marks & Spencer...!





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  Reply # 1300610 8-May-2015 12:32
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DarthKermit: The moral of the story? She shoulda been caught with a cheap, crappy car. Like the one my neighbour is trying to sell for $1200.

The sad fact is that she will probably buy another Audi and will continue poaching in the cheap, crappy $1200 second car which she will also get.

I have no problem with people being stripped of assets used in the committing of a crime (in this case cars, boats, dive gear, etc.) and would love to see it be part of our justice system for other crimes as well. For example, while not a fan of "boy racers" it seems crazy that the government can seize and crush their vehicles while the punishment for drink drivers seems to be that you cancel the driver licence - a completely ineffectual measure given the number of times I read about someone caught speeding or driving drunk on a suspended/disqualified licence. In my knee-jerk reactionary opinion, driving a one-and-a-half-tonne vehicle while drunk is like walking around holding a loaded gun - it's only a matter of time before someone loses control and someone (else) gets hurt or killed.

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