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  # 1322344 10-Jun-2015 17:42
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Geektastic: Until film and music companies realise that the answer to their purported 'problem' is simply to make things legally available worldwide on the same day and at the same cost in all jurisdictions, they will continue to wonder why they have a 'problem'......

Why not just use a US iTunes account?

I used itunes for years.  It'd download updates and lacked resume, so if the download crapped out it would start from the beginning.  It'd lock up while it was thinking around things.  I could go on for hours how awful it was, but let's just forget you mentioned it.

I really really really do not want to install it on my computer ever again.


Well, it is a different beast from then probably.

I do agree that it is Apple's worst app - not because of download issues but because it periodically does weird things like forget where whole libraries are and so on. Considering it is sort of their poster child, It really can be awful.

However the music no longer has DRM so you can buy that one album, export and delete the app..! There is a reliable place in Aussie on line that sells US iTunes cards.





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  # 1322382 10-Jun-2015 18:52
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PoHq: I thought there was no excuse for using torrents for music anymore, with it being so ridiculously cheap and readily available but in this case if they are actually releasing an album 6 months later in NZ I'd be looking at torrents to get this album and not feeling bad about it in the slightest.




I imagine you'd be fine with stealing a car if the dealer didn't supply it to you in the timeframe you thought was appropriate or at a price you didn't like as well?

The fact you don't feel bad about it, won't make it any less of a THEFT.


 
 
 
 




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  # 1322391 10-Jun-2015 19:04
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networkn: I imagine you'd be fine with stealing a car if the dealer didn't supply it to you in the timeframe you thought was appropriate or at a price you didn't like as well?

The fact you don't feel bad about it, won't make it any less of a THEFT.

This is a strawman.  No-one is taking a car from anyone else.  Let's concentrate on the mystery of strange business practices and delays to market rather than strange exercises in logic.

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  # 1322430 10-Jun-2015 20:46
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networkn: I imagine you'd be fine with stealing a car if the dealer didn't supply it to you in the timeframe you thought was appropriate or at a price you didn't like as well?

The fact you don't feel bad about it, won't make it any less of a THEFT.

This is a strawman.  No-one is taking a car from anyone else.  Let's concentrate on the mystery of strange business practices and delays to market rather than strange exercises in logic.


What are you talking about? It's a parallel conclusion, it's THEFT and I would be very surprised to see this person prepared to steal a car. If the risks of getting caught weren't so low it wouldn't even be something they would mention.

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networkn: I imagine you'd be fine with stealing a car if the dealer didn't supply it to you in the timeframe you thought was appropriate or at a price you didn't like as well?

The fact you don't feel bad about it, won't make it any less of a THEFT.

This is a strawman.  No-one is taking a car from anyone else.  Let's concentrate on the mystery of strange business practices and delays to market rather than strange exercises in logic.


What are you talking about? It's a parallel conclusion, it's THEFT and I would be very surprised to see this person prepared to steal a car. If the risks of getting caught weren't so low it wouldn't even be something they would mention.


Going way offtopic pirating is illegal but it isn't theft, and if we could download cars we would (and will when 3d printers get big enough), pretending digital files are the same as physical items is stupid.

6 months delay is bad business, I'd really like to see some kind of law that if a copyrighted work is completely unavailable for a period of say 1 year (out of print books etc) then you have personal fair use (not commercial use),  that would encourage copyrights holders to keep there works available and discourage regional releases




 


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networkn: I imagine you'd be fine with stealing a car if the dealer didn't supply it to you in the timeframe you thought was appropriate or at a price you didn't like as well?

The fact you don't feel bad about it, won't make it any less of a THEFT.

This is a strawman.  No-one is taking a car from anyone else.  Let's concentrate on the mystery of strange business practices and delays to market rather than strange exercises in logic.


What are you talking about? It's a parallel conclusion, it's THEFT and I would be very surprised to see this person prepared to steal a car. If the risks of getting caught weren't so low it wouldn't even be something they would mention.


In fact it is copyright infringement and even the US Supreme Court said that is not theft.







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Geektastic: In fact it is copyright infringement and even the US Supreme Court said that is not theft.

This is off-topic, and will never end in anyone changing their opinion.  I suggest anyone wishing to continue this googles for thousands of other never-ending versions of this same discussion with lots of additional bad logic.

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