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# 175828 13-Jul-2015 11:01
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As someone who has had personalised plates since 1999, I just read something on stuff news which I was unaware of...

Stolen personalised plates

Which was:

"Police have now flagged the plates as stolen and they can no longer be used to register a car.

The ones with personalised plates - they can't actually use their named plate to register another car again, because it would come up as stolen on our system."

Which leaves me pondering these questions...

Do you think the flagging as stolen can/will be reversed if plates are recovered from the thief?

If the crim only stole one, as per the item above, then as the "owner/rights holder", could the ownership (with remaining plate) be sold on TradeMe? Or because it is flagged as stolen place it in grey area category where even if fully disclosed on TM the owner is selling "stolen" property?

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  # 1342020 13-Jul-2015 11:01
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Hmmmm. Here we go.




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  # 1342026 13-Jul-2015 11:06
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Like anything else with a stop or lock system, when said item becomes "un-stolen"  it will be removed from the lock, which in this case is the Police, then allowing the rightful owner full priviledges. IANAL   

 
 
 
 


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  # 1342028 13-Jul-2015 11:07
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That seems hella stupid.

If someone stole one of my plates I can't use them even if they are replaced? So some dick taking one leaves me out $1000 worth?

There must be some process for getting them registered again.

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  # 1342035 13-Jul-2015 11:11
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That kind of makes this (from plates.co.nz) seem a bit wrong:

MY PLATES ARE LOST/STOLEN/DAMAGED - HOW CAN I GET A NEW SET MADE? Just contact the Government Plate Manufacturer on 0800 736 253 (0800 REMAKE) or click through to their website form using one of the links below:
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They will organise your plates to be remade and deliver the replacement plates to your chosen address. A remake cost will apply.

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  # 1342038 13-Jul-2015 11:13
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Raises the question, how do insurers handle this?

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  # 1342039 13-Jul-2015 11:14
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"That only one plate off each car was stolen would suggest it was being done for fun's sake rather than a more sinister purpose, Irvine said."

Yet again, the lack of an IQ test in Police recruiting is exposed!

When you use stolen plates on a car, there's no requirement for the front and back ones to match.


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  # 1342043 13-Jul-2015 11:18
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I assume the article is over stated  in the interests of readers reading it.

Say your mobile gets stolen, you report it to your provider and Polioe, it gets blocked. No one can use it in NZ, not even you. When its recovered, it gets unblocked. Thats how I see the plates thing working. TBH I didnt read the article, if any product was permanently unusable if reported stolen, thats a mockery

Legally, and IANAL, registration is not ownership. Its registration , to allow tracking, safety,  and road user costs and ACC to be collectted

 
 
 
 


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  # 1342090 13-Jul-2015 12:32
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tdgeek: I assume the article is over stated  in the interests of readers reading it.

Say your mobile gets stolen, you report it to your provider and Polioe, it gets blocked. No one can use it in NZ, not even you. When its recovered, it gets unblocked. Thats how I see the plates thing working. TBH I didnt read the article, if any product was permanently unusable if reported stolen, thats a mockery

Legally, and IANAL, registration is not ownership. Its registration , to allow tracking, safety,  and road user costs and ACC to be collectted


Yes, but your mobile doesn't come in 2 parts - so it being stolen means by default it can't be used.



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  # 1342093 13-Jul-2015 12:39
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wasabi2k:
tdgeek: I assume the article is over stated  in the interests of readers reading it.

Say your mobile gets stolen, you report it to your provider and Polioe, it gets blocked. No one can use it in NZ, not even you. When its recovered, it gets unblocked. Thats how I see the plates thing working. TBH I didnt read the article, if any product was permanently unusable if reported stolen, thats a mockery

Legally, and IANAL, registration is not ownership. Its registration , to allow tracking, safety,  and road user costs and ACC to be collectted


Yes, but your mobile doesn't come in 2 parts - so it being stolen means by default it can't be used.




Never the less tdgeek has nailed it. If the plate or plates are stolen, then they cannot be used until the stolen flag has been removed.




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  # 1342097 13-Jul-2015 12:41
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frankv: "That only one plate off each car was stolen would suggest it was being done for fun's sake rather than a more sinister purpose, Irvine said."

Yet again, the lack of an IQ test in Police recruiting is exposed!

When you use stolen plates on a car, there's no requirement for the front and back ones to match.



Apart from the fact that if they do not, it provides an immediate visual clue that the car is dodgy.





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  # 1342101 13-Jul-2015 12:44
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scuwp:
wasabi2k:
tdgeek: I assume the article is over stated  in the interests of readers reading it.

Say your mobile gets stolen, you report it to your provider and Polioe, it gets blocked. No one can use it in NZ, not even you. When its recovered, it gets unblocked. Thats how I see the plates thing working. TBH I didnt read the article, if any product was permanently unusable if reported stolen, thats a mockery

Legally, and IANAL, registration is not ownership. Its registration , to allow tracking, safety,  and road user costs and ACC to be collectted


Yes, but your mobile doesn't come in 2 parts - so it being stolen means by default it can't be used.




Never the less tdgeek has nailed it. If the plate or plates are stolen, then they cannot be used until the stolen flag has been removed.


You're right I guess. In light of that I would like the punishment for stealing a single number plate to be changed to removal of the perpetrator's limb of choice.

And I will also go and replace the bolts on mine with something hard to remove.



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  # 1342116 13-Jul-2015 13:01
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wasabi2k: I will also go and replace the bolts on mine with something hard to remove.


I looked at getting one way security screws a month ago before my latest plates arrived.

I thought hmmm I guess being aluminium, it would be easy (?) to bend the plates off. I've never tried or seen the results so I'm not sure. Then comes the problem of what happens when its time to upgrade the car, or it gets written off.

But I'd rather pay $10 for screws and $25 for new plates, getting medieval on the old plates tearing them off, than lose $1000 from not being able to use them.



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  # 1342137 13-Jul-2015 13:10
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scuwp:
wasabi2k:
tdgeek: I assume the article is over stated  in the interests of readers reading it.

Say your mobile gets stolen, you report it to your provider and Polioe, it gets blocked. No one can use it in NZ, not even you. When its recovered, it gets unblocked. Thats how I see the plates thing working. TBH I didnt read the article, if any product was permanently unusable if reported stolen, thats a mockery

Legally, and IANAL, registration is not ownership. Its registration , to allow tracking, safety,  and road user costs and ACC to be collectted


Yes, but your mobile doesn't come in 2 parts - so it being stolen means by default it can't be used.




Never the less tdgeek has nailed it. If the plate or plates are stolen, then they cannot be used until the stolen flag has been removed.




Well if we are using the mobile phone analogy, then there is 2 parts, the (physical) mobile and the (not physical) connection (sim)... If the phone is stolen, you can get the connection put onto another sim, and continue to use it - or you are free to sell it - say if it has prepay value, which depending on the person may be small or large.

I can understand if the (physical) plates are stolen, them being flagged, which then like the phone only has limited value only to the thief, ie wall hanging for plates, or playing music etc for the phone.

The non physical "ownership" of the plates is of no value to the thief, as it is not in their name. Just like the non physical connection is of no value as they have no authority on the account.

But why then cannot like the phone where the connection is put onto another sim, the personalised plates "ownership/rights" not be transferred, ie sold, to a new owner? Yes knowing that they cannot be used - registered to another car. I would happily pay for unusable plates under the above scenario to legitimately own the rights to them, and have them on display - but never use on a vehicle.

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  # 1342170 13-Jul-2015 13:42
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Geese:
scuwp:
wasabi2k:
tdgeek: I assume the article is over stated  in the interests of readers reading it.

Say your mobile gets stolen, you report it to your provider and Polioe, it gets blocked. No one can use it in NZ, not even you. When its recovered, it gets unblocked. Thats how I see the plates thing working. TBH I didnt read the article, if any product was permanently unusable if reported stolen, thats a mockery

Legally, and IANAL, registration is not ownership. Its registration , to allow tracking, safety,  and road user costs and ACC to be collectted


Yes, but your mobile doesn't come in 2 parts - so it being stolen means by default it can't be used.




Never the less tdgeek has nailed it. If the plate or plates are stolen, then they cannot be used until the stolen flag has been removed.




Well if we are using the mobile phone analogy, then there is 2 parts, the (physical) mobile and the (not physical) connection (sim)... If the phone is stolen, you can get the connection put onto another sim, and continue to use it - or you are free to sell it - say if it has prepay value, which depending on the person may be small or large.

I can understand if the (physical) plates are stolen, them being flagged, which then like the phone only has limited value only to the thief, ie wall hanging for plates, or playing music etc for the phone.

The non physical "ownership" of the plates is of no value to the thief, as it is not in their name. Just like the non physical connection is of no value as they have no authority on the account.

But why then cannot like the phone where the connection is put onto another sim, the personalised plates "ownership/rights" not be transferred, ie sold, to a new owner? Yes knowing that they cannot be used - registered to another car. I would happily pay for unusable plates under the above scenario to legitimately own the rights to them, and have them on display - but never use on a vehicle.


I see no reason to stop you from selling your ownership of the plates to me, as I know you really are the owner, and you know me as a buyer with funds. But in practice, IMO, that opens a huge gap in the fencing (no, not the white picket variety) of stolen goods, as there is then a legit market, that will be coerced and used by the crims.  If my plates (and I actually have them in my garage, my car isn't cool enough now to mnatch them) well, I have no plates, but I still own them. I'd expect to be able to sell them, although in the interiim maybe not as they are listed as stolen

Another take, is who cares if they are stolen?  I got mine re done at AA, $20. So, I report as stolen, buy a replacement for $20 or whatever it is now.  I get pulled up,  the plates, car and VIN match, on yerr way. The other car with my stolen plates gets pulled up, car, plates and VIN dont match, busted.

I dont know the exact law as relating to this, but the funny thing with plates as you can get them replaced. Its like a restaurants bottomless cup.

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  # 1342193 13-Jul-2015 13:54
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 Another take, is who cares if they are stolen?  I got mine re done at AA, $20. So, I report as stolen, buy a replacement for $20 or whatever it is now.  I get pulled up,  the plates, car and VIN match, on yerr way. The other car with my stolen plates gets pulled up, car, plates and VIN dont match, busted.


First, I doubt you could buy a replacement as they have been flagged as stolen.  If you keep driving on one plate or somehow manage to get another plate, it will not be as simple as that.  You will be chased down, stopped, and detained by Police while they make inquiries.  The car and/or plates may be impounded while they sort the 'mess' out and you may be asked to go to the station depending on the voracity of your ID.  Meanwhile the actual stolen car/plates are sailing on past while the Police waste their time dealing with you.  The increasing use of the ANPR cameras will also mean stolen plates will be targeted.  

Lets add another tangent...lets say the recent theft of stolen plates in the area have been used on cars in armed robberies?  Now you have Policemen with guns and the AOS on standby.

   






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