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  # 1350379 23-Jul-2015 13:02
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freitasm: You missed the sarcasm. Twice 15 should be 30, not 20. So I was pointing out that even the user replying didn't get it right.



I think he might has missed a question mark off the end of his sentence...

Hmm, what to write...
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  # 1350382 23-Jul-2015 13:07
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JonnyCam:
mdooher:

TOG values are based on the SI standard of R values and are all about how "well" the Duvet or underlay works. In New Zealand we say how heavy it is... that's stupid. Geektastic is correct, we need proper standards. Either R values or TOG values or whatever but not some stupid weight system that dodgy manufactures can use to dupe unsuspecting buyers



But can you really relate how 'well' that duvet of 9.5 TOG will work for you - will it be too cold, or too warm?
So you use experience to tell yu what you like.

Same with gm/m2 - you know roughly what you want in winter, so get that - or take it out of the pack and have a feel of it.





lets take that to the extreme. You buy a duvet that consists of an aero-gell or some other technically advanced insulating material and try to compare it to one made out of wool. The weight has nothing to do with its ability to insulate you.






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  # 1350393 23-Jul-2015 13:24
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Satch:
networkn: I'd suggest eating utensils would also cause serious digestion issues! :) 


Is this not sarcasm too? :-)


Umm no, that is straight humor. A play on words if you like.

Definition of Sarcasm: 

"the use of irony to mock or convey contempt."


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  # 1350397 23-Jul-2015 13:29
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freitasm:
Jase2985: a UK table spoon is 15ml, in NZ its 20ml, thats twice as big.


And that's a problem... 20 is not twice as big as 15.




i know its not read geektastics post where he says NZ's is twice as big as the UK, hence me pointing out the actual measurements, with the toung in cheek comment on the end

Geektastic: Eating utensils can cause confusion - for instance, in a UK recipe, a tablespoon is about twice as big as the same word means in a NZ recipe!

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  # 1350402 23-Jul-2015 13:32
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graemeh: There is another problem too, a NZ standard table spoon is 15ml, it is Australia where it is 20ml.


that may also be true but go to a shop and buy a table spoon and see what you get, we have 2 20ml ones and 1 15ml one

Hmm, what to write...
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  # 1350427 23-Jul-2015 14:17
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Jase2985:
graemeh: There is another problem too, a NZ standard table spoon is 15ml, it is Australia where it is 20ml.


that may also be true but go to a shop and buy a table spoon and see what you get, we have 2 20ml ones and 1 15ml one


I seem to remember when I was young that mums table spoon was a massive thing (I was little) but much bigger than a dessert spoon




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  # 1350434 23-Jul-2015 14:31
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Jase2985:
graemeh: There is another problem too, a NZ standard table spoon is 15ml, it is Australia where it is 20ml.


that may also be true but go to a shop and buy a table spoon and see what you get, we have 2 20ml ones and 1 15ml one

I have three and they are all 15ml. Anyway, that only goes to prove your point even more so. I guess geektastic is just used to using a silver tablespoon in a particularly large size of 30ml, maybe it was a UK fluid ounce?

 
 
 
 




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  # 1350511 23-Jul-2015 15:24
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mdooher:
Jase2985:
graemeh: There is another problem too, a NZ standard table spoon is 15ml, it is Australia where it is 20ml.


that may also be true but go to a shop and buy a table spoon and see what you get, we have 2 20ml ones and 1 15ml one


I seem to remember when I was young that mums table spoon was a massive thing (I was little) but much bigger than a dessert spoon


Commonly what is a tablespoon here is a desert spoon in the UK and a tablespoon would be a larger spoon for serving at the table not eating with.





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  # 1350524 23-Jul-2015 15:33
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Geektastic:
mdooher:
Jase2985:
graemeh: There is another problem too, a NZ standard table spoon is 15ml, it is Australia where it is 20ml.


that may also be true but go to a shop and buy a table spoon and see what you get, we have 2 20ml ones and 1 15ml one


I seem to remember when I was young that mums table spoon was a massive thing (I was little) but much bigger than a dessert spoon


Commonly what is a tablespoon here is a desert spoon in the UK and a tablespoon would be a larger spoon for serving at the table not eating with.


and I think (not 100%) that the old Edmonds cook book used that measure for tablespoon. It is only since CER that we have started using Australian measures in our cook books.






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  # 1350532 23-Jul-2015 15:37
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Geektastic:
mdooher:
Jase2985:
graemeh: There is another problem too, a NZ standard table spoon is 15ml, it is Australia where it is 20ml.


that may also be true but go to a shop and buy a table spoon and see what you get, we have 2 20ml ones and 1 15ml one


I seem to remember when I was young that mums table spoon was a massive thing (I was little) but much bigger than a dessert spoon


Commonly what is a tablespoon here is a desert spoon in the UK and a tablespoon would be a larger spoon for serving at the table not eating with.

Neither of which are applicable when it comes to recipes, probably. It's a well established fact that the UK now uses 15ml tbsps in those cases. Maybe once upon a time it was a bit bigger (imperial = 17.75ml) but I don't think it has any relation to the cutlery of the same name. They probably started out the same, I guess.

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  # 1350534 23-Jul-2015 15:38
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mdooher:
Geektastic:
mdooher:
Jase2985:
graemeh: There is another problem too, a NZ standard table spoon is 15ml, it is Australia where it is 20ml.


that may also be true but go to a shop and buy a table spoon and see what you get, we have 2 20ml ones and 1 15ml one


I seem to remember when I was young that mums table spoon was a massive thing (I was little) but much bigger than a dessert spoon


Commonly what is a tablespoon here is a desert spoon in the UK and a tablespoon would be a larger spoon for serving at the table not eating with.


and I think (not 100%) that the old Edmonds cook book used that measure for tablespoon. It is only since the CER that we have started using Australian measures in our cook books.




More likely it due to the influx of aussie chain stores.

Interestingly wikipedia says that the olde english tablespoons can be 25ml or bigger.

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mdooher:
Geektastic:
mdooher:
Jase2985:
graemeh: There is another problem too, a NZ standard table spoon is 15ml, it is Australia where it is 20ml.


that may also be true but go to a shop and buy a table spoon and see what you get, we have 2 20ml ones and 1 15ml one


I seem to remember when I was young that mums table spoon was a massive thing (I was little) but much bigger than a dessert spoon


Commonly what is a tablespoon here is a desert spoon in the UK and a tablespoon would be a larger spoon for serving at the table not eating with.


and I think (not 100%) that the old Edmonds cook book used that measure for tablespoon. It is only since CER that we have started using Australian measures in our cook books.

I have not noticed that our cook books use 20ml over 15ml? Unless, of course, they come from Australia. For example, my breadmaker (Breville) recipe book uses Australian measures.

Hmm, what to write...
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  # 1350537 23-Jul-2015 15:41
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bazzer:
mdooher:
Geektastic:
mdooher:
Jase2985:
graemeh: There is another problem too, a NZ standard table spoon is 15ml, it is Australia where it is 20ml.


that may also be true but go to a shop and buy a table spoon and see what you get, we have 2 20ml ones and 1 15ml one


I seem to remember when I was young that mums table spoon was a massive thing (I was little) but much bigger than a dessert spoon


Commonly what is a tablespoon here is a desert spoon in the UK and a tablespoon would be a larger spoon for serving at the table not eating with.


and I think (not 100%) that the old Edmonds cook book used that measure for tablespoon. It is only since CER that we have started using Australian measures in our cook books.

I have not noticed that our cook books use 20ml over 15ml? Unless, of course, they come from Australia. For example, my breadmaker (Breville) recipe book uses Australian measures.


What doesn't come from Australia at the moment, Try counting the adverts on telly tonight (the ones that advertise actual products, food, cleaners) you will be hard pressed to find a Kiwi one.
Or was it the Aussies that kept the 20ml talblespoon and brits changed
or did the aussies need bigger spoons?

I give up... now days I let my wife cook, and I know she uses the 15ml tablespoon measure




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# 1350550 23-Jul-2015 15:53
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  • Margaret Powell (British) 1970 Tablespoon = 18 ml
  • Australian and New Zealand Complete cooking 1973 = Tablespoon = 25 ml
  • Best of Cooking (Hamlyn) - Tablespoon, (Australia) = 20 ml
  • Best of Cooking (Hamlyn) - Tablespoon, (British) = 17,7 ml
  • Best of Cooking (Hamlyn) - Tablespoon, (America) 14,2
  • Indian Cooking, Chowhary 1952 - = Tablespoon = 25 ml
  • Cook and Enjoy, De Villiers 1971 (South Africa) = Tablespoon = 12,5 ml
  • Complete South African Cookbook (South Africa) 1979 Tablespoon = 12,5
  • The Australian Women's weekly 1978 = 20 ml

No wonder your wife's cooking never tastes like your mother's




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  # 1350558 23-Jul-2015 16:03
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I pity the South Africans and their tiny tablespoons!

Edit: Do you have anything from this millenium?!

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