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  # 1351097 24-Jul-2015 11:33
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freitasm: I don't think Mike is being intolerant. Disagreeing with one's opinion or point of view is not intolerance. Fighting against this opinion is.


Mike disagrees with alot of my thoughts on many topics....and fights them. Therefore he is intolerant.

Yes I disagree with some of your views but they are your views and therefore welcome to them, I am however free to disagree and to voice that disagreement but not in hateful, threatening or insulting terms. I do not fight your views I simply do not hold your views. If I have then I truly apologise.

Not insulted, just annoyed, especially we you do raise good points and I realise I am wrong :P, we certainly hold different views, but it makes for some interesting reading and I feel some good and valid opinions come out from both sides of the argument that others may read and pick their path in life. I do enjoy our conversations and certainly dont hold any ill will towards you Mike.

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  # 1351100 24-Jul-2015 11:40
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Nothing wrong with calling religious people weak minded, its more closer to logical reasoning (and also more polite)

The same reasoning could see those who can't write grammatically correct English also being labelled as weak-minded.

Also how dare you mention intolerance HOW DARE YOU!!!, non believers should get a gold medal for tolerance when it comes to pandering to religious people.

- We shape our laws to suit them
- We give them tax free status
- We let them build their churches
- We let them knock on our doors and preach their wares
- We make concessions in our schooling \ childcare system and workplaces
- In the case of the jews we even let them setup organisations like the ADL to legally squash anyone that dares to speak

Actually, *we* non-believers don't do any of those things. We New Zealanders, who also include a large number of religious people, allow these things to continue. You see, religious tolerance is part of the Kiwi culture. The tax free status is a recognition of the valuable work (often unpaid) that religious organisations have done for the community. Presumably most Kiwis think they still provide good value for money, hence their continued tax-free status.

You say "we let them build their churches" like you feel that there ought to be controls on what people can and cannot build... you could equally rant that "we let corporates build supermarkets" or "we let oil companies build petrol stations" or "we let councils build town halls".

Regarding the ADL... I'd never heard of them until you brought it up. But their stated mission has my full support, although I think it's a pity that they feel the need to specifically mention "defamation of the Jewish people".

The mission of the ADL is to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment for all citizens alike.

A question comes to mind.

Who is tolerating who.

Peaceful religious people tolerating demeaning brutal savage atheists? Or people who quietly don't want to hear about mystical creatures tolerating in-your-face religious groups.

Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


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  # 1351102 24-Jul-2015 11:41
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frankv: Regarding the ADL... I'd never heard of them until you brought it up. But their stated mission has my full support, although I think it's a pity that they feel the need to specifically mention "defamation of the Jewish people".

Dont get me wrong, what Hitler did to the Jews was terrible, but the ADL is misused, it is a front, it is less used to protect the Jewish people and more to protect the interest of certain few rich people (who happen to be Jewish) that are undertaking evil activities that effect all people jews and non jewish alike around the world...think finance, banking, corporations, manipulating countries and policies for their own gain....

But of course you could never say anything, name names or point it out as the ADL are very well funded to protect the interests of those people.

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