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  # 1372467 23-Aug-2015 13:04
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freitasm:
Rikkitic: English is not an official language of New Zealand.


English, Maori and New Zealand Sign Language are the official languages in this country.




Actually I saw something the other day that said English was not in fact an official language due to some technicality. Unfortunately my brain has become so porous that I cannot remember the reference.
 




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  # 1372476 23-Aug-2015 13:14
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When someone comes up with a "not valid because of a technicality" you better check sources. There are lots of crazy people in the US for example who says US dollar is not a valid currency, don't want a US passport because "my state never joined the union based on a technicality" and so on...

Usually people who find technicality (outside courts) are... crazies.





 
 
 
 


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  # 1372479 23-Aug-2015 13:33
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freitasm: When someone comes up with a "not valid because of a technicality" you better check sources. There are lots of crazy people in the US for example who says US dollar is not a valid currency, don't want a US passport because "my state never joined the union based on a technicality" and so on...

Usually people who find technicality (outside courts) are... crazies.



http://kidslink.co.nz/languages/official-new-zealand-languages/

This isn't the reference I saw but it does repeat what I read. The difference is that Maori and Sign were both declared official languages by acts of Parliament, while English never has been. It is de facto official, but not formally so (as I understand it ).





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  # 1372481 23-Aug-2015 13:55
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What language is the constitution that governs official languages written in?




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  # 1372495 23-Aug-2015 15:11
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freitasm:
gzt: So we had government and now education:

http://mobile.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.php?c_id=1&objectid=11501462

Other than breaking school email policy and maybe specifically religious schools I'm not sure boards have a leg to stand about this one.



Who cares if educators have a sex life outside their matrimony? Again, it's a personal option.

The media is using this whole saga to sell more and more eyeballs. 




How can it be a personal option if that choice is made against the other persons?

sex life outside matrimony can only be 'morally right' if both parties in the marriage agree. If only one person decided its ok, well that may be a personal opinion, but is that right?. Marriage = two. Either both agree that sex outside the marriage is right, or its wrong (immoral) 

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  # 1372496 23-Aug-2015 15:12
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freitasm: 
Usually people who find technicality (outside courts) are... crazies.



What if those courts are crazies. Plenty of corrupt courts in this world. 

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DizzyD:
freitasm:
gzt: So we had government and now education:

http://mobile.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.php?c_id=1&objectid=11501462

Other than breaking school email policy and maybe specifically religious schools I'm not sure boards have a leg to stand about this one.



Who cares if educators have a sex life outside their matrimony? Again, it's a personal option.

The media is using this whole saga to sell more and more eyeballs. 




How can it be a personal option if that choice is made against the other persons?

sex life outside matrimony can only be 'morally right' if both parties in the marriage agree. If only one person decided its ok, well that may be a personal opinion, but is that right?. Marriage = two. Either both agree that sex outside the marriage is right, or its wrong (immoral) 


Good try, but again my point is that this is a matter between those two parties, not between those two and you. 






 
 
 
 


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freitasm: 
Good try, but again my point is that this is a matter between those two parties, not between those two and you. 




true, its between the two of them.
My point though is that infidelity is immoral. Why? Well If I were wrong it would not normally end in divorce would it?

OT: Here is one of the AM adverts.
Great ethical company. 

Click to see full size

Makes me wonder what sort of people it attracts. 
Again. I feel feathers for those that have had their privacy exposed. 

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DizzyD:
freitasm: 
Good try, but again my point is that this is a matter between those two parties, not between those two and you. 




true, its between the two of them.
My point though is that infidelity is immoral. Why? Well If I were wrong it would not normally end in divorce would it?
 


Can you provide some evidence that:

a) Infidelity "normally" ends in divorce  (I'm sure that it doesn't always - and that's just in cases where I'm privileged to have been told about infidelity - I'm also fairly sure that it happens frequently in cases where - apart from those directly involved - nobody else knows)
b) In cases where divorce does "follow" infidelity, that divorce wouldn't have happened regardless. (the infidelity may have been a symptom that there were irreconcilable differences - the marriage was doomed)



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  # 1372565 23-Aug-2015 16:56
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DizzyD:
freitasm: 
Good try, but again my point is that this is a matter between those two parties, not between those two and you. 




true, its between the two of them.
My point though is that infidelity is immoral. Why? Well If I were wrong it would not normally end in divorce would it?
 


Can you provide some evidence that:

a) Infidelity "normally" ends in divorce  (I'm sure that it doesn't always - and that's just in cases where I'm privileged to have been told about infidelity - I'm also fairly sure that it happens frequently in cases where - apart from those directly involved - nobody else knows)
b) In cases where divorce does "follow" infidelity, that divorce wouldn't have happened regardless. (the infidelity may have been a symptom that there were irreconcilable differences - the marriage was doomed)




So you saying that a perfect marriage, where both parties are 100% attracted to each other, and would never think about cheating on each other, there can be no infidelity? I beg to differ.

Infidelity can happen regardless.
One night out with some friends without the missus, more than a few drinks, nice women shows up, and one thing leads to another. It does not matter if the marriage was perfect before, or if it was already on the rocks.  Divorce would not have happened regardless.


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  # 1372566 23-Aug-2015 16:59
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He didn't say that. He was asking for evidence on your claim that infidelity will normally end in divorce - your claim, your turn to prove with evidence of fact instead of changing the discourse.






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DizzyD:
Fred99:
DizzyD:
freitasm: 
Good try, but again my point is that this is a matter between those two parties, not between those two and you. 




true, its between the two of them.
My point though is that infidelity is immoral. Why? Well If I were wrong it would not normally end in divorce would it?
 


Can you provide some evidence that:

a) Infidelity "normally" ends in divorce  (I'm sure that it doesn't always - and that's just in cases where I'm privileged to have been told about infidelity - I'm also fairly sure that it happens frequently in cases where - apart from those directly involved - nobody else knows)
b) In cases where divorce does "follow" infidelity, that divorce wouldn't have happened regardless. (the infidelity may have been a symptom that there were irreconcilable differences - the marriage was doomed)




So you saying that a perfect marriage, where both parties are 100% attracted to each other, and would never think about cheating on each other, there can be no infidelity? I beg to differ.

Infidelity can happen regardless.
One night out with some friends without the missus, more than a few drinks, nice women shows up, and one thing leads to another. It does not matter if the marriage was perfect before, or if it was already on the rocks.  Divorce would not have happened regardless.



I don't think there's such a thing as a "perfect" marriage  A "happy" marriage - sure.  I've been monogamous for 30 years.  We're "happy" but I don't believe in fairy tales.

"Never think about cheating".  Heh. I thought I'd mentioned that earlier on in this thread, about some non-verbalised fleeting thought/image that goes through every heterosexual man's mind when they see a very attractive woman.  That's how god... whoops Darwin made us.  It's what you physically do about it that's the problem here...

As for a night out on the turps with the boys, getting yourself sozzled, finding yourself in the company of attractive women and not having the self control to keep your wedding tackle in your pants, then within reason, if that's the position you like putting yourself in, you probably betrayed your partner long beforehand - before you even said your vows. it was inevitable. 



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  # 1372597 23-Aug-2015 17:48
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You guys not taking about a certain favourite all black?




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  # 1372598 23-Aug-2015 17:54
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freitasm: He didn't say that. He was asking for evidence on your claim that infidelity will normally end in divorce - your claim, your turn to prove with evidence of fact instead of changing the discourse.




We all know what normally happens when there is immorality in a marriage.  

So far in this thread nobody has proved anything with any evidence. Why should I? (Only links I have seen backing up claims made are to some blogs and youtube videos) This is a discussion, not some debate where hard evidence is needed for every single statement. 

If you dont believe me then ask somebody who has been there. Better still ask a women. (Any women here on geekzone? )

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I believe breaking into sites like this or any web site and releasing the information is wrong. As for the purposes of the site that is purely up to those who use the service.




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