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  # 1373589 25-Aug-2015 10:24
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joker97:
surfisup1000:
joker97: i'm not sure about people being happy or joyous, but they are not sad.


OK,  you challenged me :)

I started to read through all the posts, 2nd page was this one...

I hope some people get nailed by this. 100% deserved, zero sympathy.



Seems pretty gleeful to me. 


People write these things on just about any thread where there was a mishap. High roaming data charges come to mind. Doesn't mean they are joyous/happy.



Right, but probably my main point is that many don't fully understand the whole picture of hacking. On the surface it may seem amusing that a cheater gets a well deserved divorce from an angry wife. 

Any hack can be seen to be amusing, until the more serious implications become apparent. Then one may change their mind on earlier words. 

The sony hack for example. I think that was very serious.  Others were happy to trawl through private emails and so on. 

I would like to see far heavier penalties for hackers. 



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  # 1373590 25-Aug-2015 10:25
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joker97:
surfisup1000:
joker97: i'm not sure about people being happy or joyous, but they are not sad.


OK,  you challenged me :)

I started to read through all the posts, 2nd page was this one...

I hope some people get nailed by this. 100% deserved, zero sympathy.



Seems pretty gleeful to me. 


People write these things on just about any thread where there was a mishap. High roaming data charges come to mind. Doesn't mean they are joyous/happy.


Don't kid yourself.
it would be hard to discuss in detail whether people are "complacent" or just "happy" to sit back and witness mass persecution, without eventually invoking Godwin's.

Public executions - in the past and where still practiced now - are terrifically popular events.  Please don't tell me that people flock to witness these with the intent to be miserable or complacent.

It's a dark side of human nature (IMO) that we should be aware of and act against.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1373605 25-Aug-2015 10:30
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joker97: 

I think moral arguments are the hardest to do in a society that share different values. Some people never download stuff. Some people would. Some people think if they have the CD/DVD they can download. Some people would download if they lost their original. Some people download windows ISO to reinstall their system with a licence but no installation medium (eg restore partition lost). Which one of those is a thief? All, because the person who never downloads probably have listened to a downloaded something at someone's house/car.


I think what I have learned from this thread is that you can't do moral arguments. There is no such thing as absolute morality. 

Morals are based on religions, lifes lessons, the rules of the world etc.. There is no point in trying to come to an agreement about something being moral or not, especially in a multi-cultural society like NZ. 





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  # 1373613 25-Aug-2015 10:34
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Public executions - in the past and where still practiced now - are terrifically popular events.  Please don't tell me that people flock to witness these with the intent to be miserable or complacent.

It's a dark side of human nature (IMO) that we should be aware of and act against.


Really now? 


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  # 1373624 25-Aug-2015 10:46
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Rikkitic: According to latest reports, two people have now died as a result of the hack. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/282318/ashley-madison-hack-'sparks-suicides' Did they also 'deserve' what they got because they were being immoral? The report also states that Canadian police are now taking this very seriously and the hackers may eventually well be caught. I have no issue with hackers as such. I think hackers on occasion have done heroic things. Maybe the hackers in this case were just pure criminals out to make a buck. If not, the takeaway is that people need to carefully think about actions and consequences and not do something just because they can.

I think there'll be more suicides to come. Not just from people who have been listed as being on the site, but also from partners who spiral into depression. All of this was entirely foreseeable - the 'hackers' now have blood on their hands.

I'd actually more closely align this event with cyber-terrorism given that this all revolves around one group of people threatening to cause significant harm to another (much larger) group of people if their ideology was not met, closure of the site, then carrying through with their threat.

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  # 1373637 25-Aug-2015 10:50
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DizzyD:
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Public executions - in the past and where still practiced now - are terrifically popular events.  Please don't tell me that people flock to witness these with the intent to be miserable or complacent.

It's a dark side of human nature (IMO) that we should be aware of and act against.


Really now? 



Is that a question for which you genuinely expect an answer?
Please try again.




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  # 1373639 25-Aug-2015 10:51
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Dratsab:
Rikkitic: According to latest reports, two people have now died as a result of the hack. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/282318/ashley-madison-hack-'sparks-suicides' Did they also 'deserve' what they got because they were being immoral? The report also states that Canadian police are now taking this very seriously and the hackers may eventually well be caught. I have no issue with hackers as such. I think hackers on occasion have done heroic things. Maybe the hackers in this case were just pure criminals out to make a buck. If not, the takeaway is that people need to carefully think about actions and consequences and not do something just because they can.

I think there'll be more suicides to come. Not just from people who have been listed as being on the site, but also from partners who spiral into depression. All of this was entirey forseeable - the 'hackers' now have blood on their hands.

I'd actually more closely align this event with cyber-terrorism given that this all revolves around one group of people threatening to cause significant harm to another (much larger) group of people if their ideology was not met, closure of the site, then carrying through with their threat.


Not the site owners huh.




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  # 1373641 25-Aug-2015 10:53
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Fred99:
DizzyD:
Fred99: 

Public executions - in the past and where still practiced now - are terrifically popular events.  Please don't tell me that people flock to witness these with the intent to be miserable or complacent.

It's a dark side of human nature (IMO) that we should be aware of and act against.


Really now? 



Is that a question for which you genuinely expect an answer?
Please try again.



You have a very low opinion about the human race if you believe all humans are like this.

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  # 1373653 25-Aug-2015 10:58
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joker97:
Dratsab:
Rikkitic: According to latest reports, two people have now died as a result of the hack. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/282318/ashley-madison-hack-'sparks-suicides' Did they also 'deserve' what they got because they were being immoral? The report also states that Canadian police are now taking this very seriously and the hackers may eventually well be caught. I have no issue with hackers as such. I think hackers on occasion have done heroic things. Maybe the hackers in this case were just pure criminals out to make a buck. If not, the takeaway is that people need to carefully think about actions and consequences and not do something just because they can.

I think there'll be more suicides to come. Not just from people who have been listed as being on the site, but also from partners who spiral into depression. All of this was entirey forseeable - the 'hackers' now have blood on their hands.

I'd actually more closely align this event with cyber-terrorism given that this all revolves around one group of people threatening to cause significant harm to another (much larger) group of people if their ideology was not met, closure of the site, then carrying through with their threat.


Not the site owners huh.


No - not the site owners.  You'd probably get similar impact if there was data breach and public disclosure or records from your local sexual health clinic, psychologist's office and probably many other sites where sensitive confidential records are kept.

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  # 1373658 25-Aug-2015 11:03
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freitasm: I have a pessimistic view in most case - better than to be disappointed.

Also, a warning folks. Don't go where this thread might go. Read the FUG if you don't know it.


perhaps you should lock it now, surely everythings been said and it would be a shame to see bannings come down.



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  # 1373664 25-Aug-2015 11:07
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DizzyD:
Fred99:
DizzyD:
Fred99: 

Public executions - in the past and where still practiced now - are terrifically popular events.  Please don't tell me that people flock to witness these with the intent to be miserable or complacent.

It's a dark side of human nature (IMO) that we should be aware of and act against.


Really now? 



Is that a question for which you genuinely expect an answer?
Please try again.



You have a very low opinion about the human race if you believe all humans are like this.

You have disingenuously misquoted me there, as I've not said what you've assumed and attributed to me. 

Would you dispute that much of what we call "morality" is based on suppressing *innate behaviour?

* I've said innate, but feel free to substitute with original sin or whatever else you like to explain why people without rules or morals trend to run amok.

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  # 1373665 25-Aug-2015 11:08
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Dratsab:
Rikkitic: According to latest reports, two people have now died as a result of the hack. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/282318/ashley-madison-hack-'sparks-suicides' Did they also 'deserve' what they got because they were being immoral? The report also states that Canadian police are now taking this very seriously and the hackers may eventually well be caught. I have no issue with hackers as such. I think hackers on occasion have done heroic things. Maybe the hackers in this case were just pure criminals out to make a buck. If not, the takeaway is that people need to carefully think about actions and consequences and not do something just because they can.

I think there'll be more suicides to come. Not just from people who have been listed as being on the site, but also from partners who spiral into depression. All of this was entirely foreseeable - the 'hackers' now have blood on their hands.

I'd actually more closely align this event with cyber-terrorism given that this all revolves around one group of people threatening to cause significant harm to another (much larger) group of people if their ideology was not met, closure of the site, then carrying through with their threat.


Not the site owners huh.

The site owners were negligent and seem to have been misleading. They will be dealt with: possibly criminally*, definitely civilly - in fact the lawsuits against them are already piling up. However, the site owners didn't callously throw this information to the wind.

* I'm not sure $$ to remove your details = blackmail, *if* it's been spelt out in the T&C's. However, if it's not made obvious in the sign up process and/or the T&C's are a voluminous document in a tiny font with this clause buried somewhere deep in there, then possibly people haven't been fairly informed. It would also depend on the legislative framework of the hosting country. However, charging money to erase details then not doing so is highly likely to be criminally negligent. Displaying a security logo for an award that doesn't apparently exist will fall foul of consumer laws and may amount to fraud in the hosting country. There's lots of little avenues. Someone like dejadeadnz would be better placed to comment on this.

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  # 1373677 25-Aug-2015 11:15
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surfisup1000:
freitasm: I have a pessimistic view in most case - better than to be disappointed.

Also, a warning folks. Don't go where this thread might go. Read the FUG if you don't know it.


perhaps you should lock it now, surely everythings been said and it would be a shame to see bannings come down.




I'd actually suggest not - as it's definitely a developing story.
Considering what's being discussed, things are remarkably civil.




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  # 1373717 25-Aug-2015 11:36
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joker97:
surfisup1000:
joker97: i'm not sure about people being happy or joyous, but they are not sad.


OK,  you challenged me :)

I started to read through all the posts, 2nd page was this one...

I hope some people get nailed by this. 100% deserved, zero sympathy.



Seems pretty gleeful to me. 


People write these things on just about any thread where there was a mishap. High roaming data charges come to mind. Doesn't mean they are joyous/happy.


Don't kid yourself.
it would be hard to discuss in detail whether people are "complacent" or just "happy" to sit back and witness mass persecution, without eventually invoking Godwin's.

Public executions - in the past and where still practiced now - are terrifically popular events.  Please don't tell me that people flock to witness these with the intent to be miserable or complacent.

It's a dark side of human nature (IMO) that we should be aware of and act against.


UFC comes to mind. I don't watch it. Neither do I watch the block, MasterChef. But i did watch Quade Cooper get hammered at Eden Park. I was neither happy nor sad.




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