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  # 1374935 26-Aug-2015 22:53
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andrew027: A long time ago, when I was working in an Australian office of a large American IT services company, I worked on a project that involved travelling to the corporate headquarters five times, for two weeks at a time, over the course of a year.  Some US-based employees were seconded to the project full time, and some had relocated to the HQ from their home town for the duration.  I met one such lady whose husband had stayed home as they had school-aged children whose lives they didn't want to disrupt.  She told me that they had had a long serious conversation about the possibility of infidelity while they were apart and had accepted that it might happen and had set some ground rules.

I also know personally of one couple who came to an arrangement after one partner had a serious accident.

These choices were theirs to make.  It's not my place to judge them as I have never been in their situations.

So similarly, if someone registers with a website offering hook-ups, it's none of my business.  It doesn't matter whether they are married or not, whether their partner knows or not, or whether they are actively seeking some kind of relationship or are looking at the site for research.  Unfortunately, many people will take some kind of "moral high ground" and tar all Ashley Madison's users with the same brush, with no understanding of their motives or circumstances.  I'm not sure what the hackers hope to gain from releasing this data, but my criticism is aimed at the hackers (and AM's business practices).


And that does not even take into account the inevitable numbers of people who are single and just using the site because it might be a target-rich environment...







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  # 1374936 26-Aug-2015 22:56
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on that note, the 95% male make up still makes me no sense. but what do i know ....

apparently Duncan Garner joined Tinder for research purposes too ...




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  # 1374986 27-Aug-2015 05:28
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Another slightly well known chap does a little digging... 

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/who-hacked-ashley-madison/

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  # 1375029 27-Aug-2015 09:30
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michael001: Another slightly well known chap does a little digging... 

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/who-hacked-ashley-madison/


That's a little more promising perhaps, but doesn't give me a hell of a lot of hope it'll lead to catching the criminals.  Poetic justice would be if an associate of one of the hackers came to the (correct) conclusion themselves that they'd done the "greater evil" and betrayed them.  A very public "outing" would be icing on the cake - especially if they had a profile of being moral activists.

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" - McAfee implies this as motive in his (very lame IMO) analysis.  It's misogynist and incorrect;

Men are worse when "scorned".  Not true?  Think about it - how often do you hear of a woman "scorned" murdering her (ex) partner and/or his new partner compared to men killing their ex, and/or ex's new partner, sometimes also kids, sometimes (often) murder suicide. Now that's truly "fury from hell".  Men are such idiots, proud and dangerous.

As far as draconian "moral laws" go, these laws are almost always argued by men, enacted by men, enforced by men.  While you might find crazy women activists protesting that "abortion is evil" by waving placards and scaring the crap out of children by showing them jars containing a non-human preserved fetus, and other such questionable and distasteful acts, when something really bad happens - killing doctors, "outing" private medical records etc, you can be pretty sure a man is behind it.

With social attitudes to promiscuity and infidelity, even in our (relatively liberal) society women still get a raw deal.  They obviously get a far worse deal in countries with strict religious/moral laws.

There are some possible anthropological / evolutionary explanations for why attitudes to promiscuity may have evolved the way they seem to have done.  You can be 100% certain that "your" offspring contain 50% each of the mother and father's genes, but you could never be 100% sure who the father is (well - you can now, thanks to science). Much "moral law" and custom (often abominable and cruel) is based on eliminating possibility of that "betrayal".  Funny part about it is that for the woman, it doesn't matter and  they might even be doing the human race a favour by choosing someone with more desirable traits than their official partner - well so long as they don't get caught as what men can be capable of when that even looks like it might happen can be rather extreme (understatement).  It doesn't even matter if that male partner has offspring with other females - so long as he still "provides".  Rich powerful men have mistresses - nothing unusual here, it's been the norm in many cultures.

Perhaps the gender ratio imbalance in AM membership isn't due to innate behavioural difference, but by imposed moral codes where promiscuity by women is far more deeply condemned than it is for men.

Perhaps McAfee's assumption is completely wrong from the start.  If you're going to use stereotypes for "profiling" or to determine motive, then from my experience with "human nature", it's far more likely that a man did it, and that man was possibly a "man scorned".

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