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  # 1371698 21-Aug-2015 16:02
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Fred99:
wasabi2k: Have to disagree, if you were going to the point of signing up to a website specifically to find someone to cheat on your spouse with - you deserve everything you get.


I'd expect that there were plenty (or probably most) who signed up with no intention of ever carrying out anything at all - but just for a little fantasy.  Too bad for them.

I'm certain that all you moral crusaders (if heterosexual, male, and with some hormones still pumping through your veins) will never voluntarily tell your partners the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about every unverbalised or fleeting thought which goes through your head when you see an incredibly attractive woman.
If there are any heterosexual women reading this who remain too naive to believe it, ask your partner, if he denies some "impure thoughts" - you can be sure he's not being honest with you.
Tell him to go see a priest - it'll only take a few seconds in the confessional - he'll have nothing to say.
Some things are just the way they are.  You do not own your partner or each other in the way you might own a cat, nor do you own their minds or have any right or expectation to know their every thought or action.  If you think otherwise - then you're possibly setting yourself up for a very big fall.



So you think the majority of people who signed up did so without any intention of doing anything?

I disagree. And if you were signing up just for a look - you use your real email address? really?

And there is a big leap from "impure thought", which I 100% agree almost anyone has, to signing up for a cheating website.

 

As always, nothing is secret on the internet.

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  # 1371699 21-Aug-2015 16:03
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I cannot believe this service does not validate email addresses. The only possible motivation for that strategy is charging individuals with the valid email for removal. Or do I not understand the way this works?

 
 
 
 


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  # 1371708 21-Aug-2015 16:15
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wasabi2k: 

And there is a big leap from "impure thought", which I 100% agree almost anyone has, to signing up for a cheating website.

As always, nothing is secret on the internet.


As always, the private relationships of other people are no-one else's business and the way they conduct their sex lives does not require anyone else's approval.





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  # 1371713 21-Aug-2015 16:23
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Rikkitic:
wasabi2k: 

And there is a big leap from "impure thought", which I 100% agree almost anyone has, to signing up for a cheating website.

As always, nothing is secret on the internet.


As always, the private relationships of other people are no-one else's business and the way they conduct their sex lives does not require anyone else's approval.



No it doesn't, nor does it stop me from feeling like they got what they deserved.

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  # 1371718 21-Aug-2015 16:29
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wasabi2k:
Rikkitic:
wasabi2k: 

And there is a big leap from "impure thought", which I 100% agree almost anyone has, to signing up for a cheating website.

As always, nothing is secret on the internet.


As always, the private relationships of other people are no-one else's business and the way they conduct their sex lives does not require anyone else's approval.



No it doesn't, nor does it stop me from feeling like they got what they deserved.


So some group decides they hate Geek Sites and decide to hack GZ then issue an ultimatum that GZ close then decide to release all user details o the Web. I guess that is deserved.




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  # 1371720 21-Aug-2015 16:32
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MikeB4:
wasabi2k:
Rikkitic:
wasabi2k: 

And there is a big leap from "impure thought", which I 100% agree almost anyone has, to signing up for a cheating website.

As always, nothing is secret on the internet.


As always, the private relationships of other people are no-one else's business and the way they conduct their sex lives does not require anyone else's approval.



No it doesn't, nor does it stop me from feeling like they got what they deserved.


So some group decides they hate Geek Sites and decide to hack GZ then issue an ultimatum that GZ close then decide to release all user details o the Web. I guess that is deserved.

 

It's still illegal.  Nobody is arguing it isn't.

As I suspected, the Herald is milking this to the fullest extent: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11500605





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  # 1371722 21-Aug-2015 16:34
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MikeB4:
wasabi2k:
Rikkitic:
wasabi2k: 

And there is a big leap from "impure thought", which I 100% agree almost anyone has, to signing up for a cheating website.

As always, nothing is secret on the internet.


As always, the private relationships of other people are no-one else's business and the way they conduct their sex lives does not require anyone else's approval.



No it doesn't, nor does it stop me from feeling like they got what they deserved.


So some group decides they hate Geek Sites and decide to hack GZ then issue an ultimatum that GZ close then decide to release all user details o the Web. I guess that is deserved.


No, I don't think I am explaining myself.

I have zero sympathy for the people having their names and emails exposed for being members of AshleyMadison.

At the same time I fully acknowledge that what the hackers did was illegal and the inevitable collapse of AshleyMadison will hurt a lot of employees financially and otherwise. The hackers should be caught and charged appropriately. What they did isn't *right* or *good*.








 
 
 
 


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  # 1371748 21-Aug-2015 17:16
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Full agreement. I have no problem with hackers in the original sense of the term but there was nothing clever or worthwhile in this. It was a crappy and nasty thing to do, regardless of the morals of the site or its participants.





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  # 1371752 21-Aug-2015 17:29
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frankv: Soooo... how do they validate credit card numbers and transactions? If I was (say) a waitress with a grievance and a ponytail, could I have recorded JK's CC details, and then enrolled JK at AM without his knowledge (and at his own expense), either with his real email address or some other email address?

Are you saying the prime minister's credit card details are in there?

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  # 1371758 21-Aug-2015 17:53
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wasabi2k:
Fred99:
wasabi2k: Have to disagree, if you were going to the point of signing up to a website specifically to find someone to cheat on your spouse with - you deserve everything you get.


I'd expect that there were plenty (or probably most) who signed up with no intention of ever carrying out anything at all - but just for a little fantasy.  Too bad for them.

I'm certain that all you moral crusaders (if heterosexual, male, and with some hormones still pumping through your veins) will never voluntarily tell your partners the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about every unverbalised or fleeting thought which goes through your head when you see an incredibly attractive woman.
If there are any heterosexual women reading this who remain too naive to believe it, ask your partner, if he denies some "impure thoughts" - you can be sure he's not being honest with you.
Tell him to go see a priest - it'll only take a few seconds in the confessional - he'll have nothing to say.
Some things are just the way they are.  You do not own your partner or each other in the way you might own a cat, nor do you own their minds or have any right or expectation to know their every thought or action.  If you think otherwise - then you're possibly setting yourself up for a very big fall.



So you think the majority of people who signed up did so without any intention of doing anything?

I disagree. And if you were signing up just for a look - you use your real email address? really?



Yes - I do think that most of the guys signing up were probably just in for a look and/or to whack the monkey.
The dumbest entered their real email addresses.  Some probably used someone else's - not any of mine though.

As for the (very few) women signed up, then I had to consult the book to check, and that pretty much confirmed what I already knew, that some of the wildest common fantasies of men are the worst nightmares for women. We know nothing.  Of the supposed 5% women members, I bet most probably weren't, and the rest I doubt I'd want to meet any for a cup of tea, let alone...


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  # 1371762 21-Aug-2015 18:11


Infidelity! It's been around since people have been around.

I don't think it is my (or other people's) place to judge people for it. I think is a private issue for those involved.

However, I am really interested in public hypocrisy!

Those that publicly criticize others for behaviors that they secretly do themselves.

I wouldn't mind seeing a few of those people taken down.

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  # 1371828 21-Aug-2015 20:57
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What I find very interesting is that so far nobody has criticized the Ashley Madison website, and their business ethics. 

The hackers have been criticized. The public and media have been criticized, the adulterers who signed up have been criticized (rightly so).

But what about Ashley Madison? 

They the ones that were charging money (to delete peoples profiles), some people who did not even signup. They were lying to their customers, taking money to delete profiles then not deleting them. Thats the real evil here is it not? I'm really surprised that their website is still up and its business as usual.

Kudos to the hackers that did this to Ashley Madison. 

Ashley Madison is a morally dubious enterprise.  The hackers in this case get the moral high ground IMO. Yes the adulterers deserve their privacy, but seriously, its 2015 and if people are signing up to a service like this using their real email addresses/credit cards, well then they need help with more than just their marriages. 


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  # 1371836 21-Aug-2015 21:11
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Seems like the AM data is now getting into the wrong hands.

An Auckland man is claiming blackmailers are demanding money from him under threat of releasing his leaked Ashley Madison account details to his "significant other."

The man, who wishes to remain anonymous, said he received an email came from a sender calling themselves 'Team GrayFlay'.

It read: "Unfortunately your data was leaked in the recent hacking of Ashley Madison and I now have your information."

As proof it listed some details including the residential address of the man.


It demanded the man pay approximately $450 US dollars in bitcoins - which equates to around $679 New Zealand - to "prevent me from finding and sharing this information with your significant other." The sender gave the man seven days to send the money through and said they had access to any messages in the man's Ashley Madison account as well as his address, credit card, amount spent on the site and the date it was spent.

The blackmailers said: "With this information your significant other would be able to verify with your credit card company that you were indeed involved with Ashley Madison and therefore cheating or looking to cheat."


http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/71353714/ashley-madison-blackmail-threat-to-auckland-man

Edit: Can an OP rename the title of this thread? Maybe call it Ashley Madison leak or something?

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  # 1371863 21-Aug-2015 21:56

DizzyD: Seems like the AM data is now getting into the wrong hands.

An Auckland man is claiming blackmailers are demanding money from him under threat of releasing his leaked Ashley Madison account details to his "significant other."

The man, who wishes to remain anonymous, said he received an email came from a sender calling themselves 'Team GrayFlay'.

It read: "Unfortunately your data was leaked in the recent hacking of Ashley Madison and I now have your information."

As proof it listed some details including the residential address of the man.


It demanded the man pay approximately $450 US dollars in bitcoins - which equates to around $679 New Zealand - to "prevent me from finding and sharing this information with your significant other." The sender gave the man seven days to send the money through and said they had access to any messages in the man's Ashley Madison account as well as his address, credit card, amount spent on the site and the date it was spent.

The blackmailers said: "With this information your significant other would be able to verify with your credit card company that you were indeed involved with Ashley Madison and therefore cheating or looking to cheat."


http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/71353714/ashley-madison-blackmail-threat-to-auckland-man

Edit: Can an OP rename the title of this thread? Maybe call it Ashley Madison leak or something?


Well that's Stuff... reporting a story about a man being blackmailed over releasing info that has already been leaked.

That make sense?

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  # 1371865 21-Aug-2015 22:03
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wasabi2k:
MikeB4:
wasabi2k:
Rikkitic:
wasabi2k: 

And there is a big leap from "impure thought", which I 100% agree almost anyone has, to signing up for a cheating website.

As always, nothing is secret on the internet.


As always, the private relationships of other people are no-one else's business and the way they conduct their sex lives does not require anyone else's approval.



No it doesn't, nor does it stop me from feeling like they got what they deserved.


So some group decides they hate Geek Sites and decide to hack GZ then issue an ultimatum that GZ close then decide to release all user details o the Web. I guess that is deserved.


No, I don't think I am explaining myself.

I have zero sympathy for the people having their names and emails exposed for being members of AshleyMadison.

At the same time I fully acknowledge that what the hackers did was illegal and the inevitable collapse of AshleyMadison will hurt a lot of employees financially and otherwise. The hackers should be caught and charged appropriately. What they did isn't *right* or *good*.









It is probably a good example that nothing you do online is really 100% safe. I hate to think if these services were automatically linked to facebook, like many online systems now are, and people basically put all their informtion on their life online for all to see. They may thing it is private, but not if it is hacked. Your average person using the internet really don't have a clue, as the average intelligence and knowledge of people isn't that high.

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