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  Reply # 1393457 24-Sep-2015 12:57
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The flag has nothing to do with our system of Government

 

Yes I know that?


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  Reply # 1393464 24-Sep-2015 12:59
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Kyanar:
dafman: Now, doesn't this look a whole lot better ...



Honest truth? No. It doesn't. Kind of cringeworthy, actually.


I agree. It looks cheap. 



 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1393528 24-Sep-2015 13:24
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DizzyD:

I agree. It looks cheap. 




For identification purposes, red peak does work much better than the current one.

So when we're at battle our Navy and legions should be easily identifiable.



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  Reply # 1393533 24-Sep-2015 13:28
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Jaxson:
DizzyD:

I agree. It looks cheap. 




For identification purposes, red peak does work much better than the current one.

So when we're at battle our Navy and legions should be easily identifiable.


Ha aha ha

You should add our air force too...oh that's right...




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  Reply # 1393544 24-Sep-2015 13:44
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Jaxson:
DizzyD:

I agree. It looks cheap. 




For identification purposes, red peak does work much better than the current one.

So when we're at battle our Navy and legions should be easily identifiable.




Well with red peak somebody may confuse us with that North Carolina Engineering firm
At least the feather and koru flags look a little more distinctive.

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  Reply # 1393546 24-Sep-2015 13:48
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DizzyD:
Well with red peak somebody may confuse us with that North Carolina Engineering firm
At least the feather and koru flags look a little more distinctive.


Yes, when we're walking into the Olympic stadium, I can see how people would be confused...

Our flag looks practically identical to Australia's.  Surely that's a bigger issue if you're going to go down that route?

http://www.sporcle.com/games/JoeNation/similar_flags

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/xf-like.html



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  Reply # 1393555 24-Sep-2015 13:54
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DizzyD:
MikeB4: 

The flag has nothing to do with our system of Government
Yes I know that?



Then I really don't know what your statement "Until New Zealand is a republic, and not bound by the crown and/or the treaty between Maori/crown. Whats the point of a new flag?"  is for.






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  Reply # 1393585 24-Sep-2015 14:00
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MikeB4:
DizzyD:
MikeB4: 

The flag has nothing to do with our system of Government
Yes I know that?



Then I really don't know what your statement "Until New Zealand is a republic, and not bound by the crown and/or the treaty between Maori/crown. Whats the point of a new flag?"  is for.




Nothing about government mentioned in there? 

We could fire the queen very easily without changing government. 
All we would need to do is elect a president. 




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  Reply # 1393590 24-Sep-2015 14:07
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DizzyD:
MikeB4:
DizzyD:
MikeB4: 

The flag has nothing to do with our system of Government
Yes I know that?



Then I really don't know what your statement "Until New Zealand is a republic, and not bound by the crown and/or the treaty between Maori/crown. Whats the point of a new flag?"  is for.




Nothing about government mentioned in there? 

We could fire the queen very easily without changing government. 
All we would need to do is elect a president. 





Becoming a Republic or what ever is a change in Government system. We are currently a Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy and change to a Republic would radically change the system of government we currently have. The does not need a system change to change the flag.




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  Reply # 1393591 24-Sep-2015 14:07
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DizzyD:
Jaxson:
DizzyD:

I agree. It looks cheap. 




For identification purposes, red peak does work much better than the current one.

So when we're at battle our Navy and legions should be easily identifiable.




Well with red peak somebody may confuse us with that North Carolina Engineering firm
At least the feather and koru flags look a little more distinctive.


No worse than being confused for a flotilla of bankers entertaining their favourite rugby team (-;

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  Reply # 1393639 24-Sep-2015 14:59
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DizzyD:
Jaxson:
DizzyD: I agree. It looks cheap. 

For identification purposes, red peak does work much better than the current one.

So when we're at battle our Navy and legions should be easily identifiable.

Well with red peak somebody may confuse us with that North Carolina Engineering firm
At least the feather and koru flags look a little more distinctive.

I'm pretty sure that if the New Zealand forces were in Afghanistan with the Red Peak flag flashing on their uniforms, the Taliban are not going to be thinking "We're being attacked by a North Carolina engineering firm." In fact, I'd say that outside of North Carolina very few people would have ever heard of Peak Engineering or be able to identify their company logo.

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  Reply # 1393649 24-Sep-2015 15:07
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I'm pretty sure that if the New Zealand forces were in Afghanistan with the Red Peak flag flashing on their uniforms, the Taliban are not going to be thinking "We're being attacked by a North Carolina engineering firm." In fact, I'd say that outside of North Carolina very few people would have ever heard of Peak Engineering or be able to identify their company logo.


Although I bet said firm have lawyered up and are hoping for a huge payday if NZ has to buy the design rights off them.

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The problem with any large population deciding on something like this, is that people have different tastes, and many people have really bad taste. You just have to look at peoples homes. The best company logos are those that are designed by professionals and decided on by  professionals. Red peak does have quite a bit of support in the design community due to it's simplicity and meanings. It is a bit logo like, and could mean anything to someone just looking at it, but if you look at most flags the same applies. I do think though it needs a link to the old flag, such as the southern cross. If you look at some of the simple flag, they do have stars or other logos on them too. My issue with the flag is that it is a 'red peak' which would imply a red mountain, and how does that apply to NZ. A green mountain maybe, but not red.

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  Reply # 1393656 24-Sep-2015 15:14
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kiwitrc: I bet said firm have lawyered up and are hoping for a huge payday if NZ has to buy the design rights off them.

lol for some triangles.



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mattwnz: The problem with any large population deciding on something like this, is that people have different tastes, and many people have really bad taste. You just have to look at peoples homes. The best company logos are those that are designed by professionals and decided on by  professionals. Red peak does have quite a bit of support in the design community due to it's simplicity and meanings. It is a bit logo like, and could mean anything to someone just looking at it, but if you look at most flags the same applies. I do think though it needs a link to the old flag, such as the southern cross. If you look at some of the simple flag, they do have stars or other logos on them too. My issue with the flag is that it is a 'red peak' which would imply a red mountain, and how does that apply to NZ. A green mountain maybe, but not red.


Agree with you on this one Mattwnz.

Red could mean molten lava, or the country being shaped from below etc.  That does rather fit with NZ, being on the rim/ring of fire and all.  There are definitely forces at play from underneath us in this country.

It's interesting what people think a flag should look like.  Geometric lines etc feature massively in country flags, so it's not significantly out of whack with existing country flags, but then some such as india and mexico do mix geometric shapes with points of finer detail.

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