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  Reply # 1410883 22-Oct-2015 09:54
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mdooher: He works for TV3... unless they have fictitious employees


If you personally know Justin Devine, then yes I guess.

I otherwise can only goes with what has been reported and interviews with David Tipple (gun city owner), police etc.





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  Reply # 1410884 22-Oct-2015 09:55
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Its a .22. Hardly a gun. 

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  Reply # 1410885 22-Oct-2015 09:55
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nathan: the Police should fix their systems rather than prosecuting the messenger


True, but presumably it was not necessary to actually break the law in order to prove it could be broken...


It was certainly not necessary to take delivery of the gun.  She did that for ratings.

They could have easily refused the delivery and told the courier to take it back to Gun City.  

I don't think it is worth wasting the resources to prosecute her.

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  Reply # 1410887 22-Oct-2015 09:56
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kingjj:  but she's made it a shed load harder for honest purchasers to do it online now.


Well, my personal opinion is that 'lethal weapon' and 'easy to do online' should only go in the same sentence if that sentence is 'We are not going to make purchasing a lethal weapon easy to do online.' Absent transactions have been, since the beginning, and always will be, the easiest to subvert.




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DizzyD: Its a .22. Hardly a gun. 


I must say they did pick the cheapest one in the world, TV3 didn't want to spend too much I guess




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  Reply # 1410890 22-Oct-2015 09:58
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mdooher:
DizzyD: Its a .22. Hardly a gun. 


I must say they did pick the cheapest one in the world, TV3 didn't want to spend too much I guess


Well, they only wanted to show it could be done. They didn't need to purchase nuclear missiles to do so.




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  Reply # 1410891 22-Oct-2015 09:59
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SaltyNZ:
mdooher:
DizzyD: Its a .22. Hardly a gun. 


I must say they did pick the cheapest one in the world, TV3 didn't want to spend too much I guess


Well, they only wanted to show it could be done. They didn't need to purchase nuclear missiles to do so.


that would have really improved the ratings




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SaltyNZ:
mdooher:
DizzyD: Its a .22. Hardly a gun. 


I must say they did pick the cheapest one in the world, TV3 didn't want to spend too much I guess


Well, they only wanted to show it could be done. They didn't need to purchase nuclear missiles to do so.


Well unless you are a boy scout, what on earth do you want to do with a .22? Shoot possums? 

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  Reply # 1410896 22-Oct-2015 10:01
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DizzyD: 

Well unless you are a boy scout, what on earth do you want to do with a .22? Shoot possums? 


Well, I saw someone doing that about 2 weeks ago, so... yes?





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DizzyD:
SaltyNZ:
mdooher:
DizzyD: Its a .22. Hardly a gun. 


I must say they did pick the cheapest one in the world, TV3 didn't want to spend too much I guess


Well, they only wanted to show it could be done. They didn't need to purchase nuclear missiles to do so.


Well unless you are a boy scout, what on earth do you want to do with a .22? Shoot possums? 


My .22 results in many many rabbit pies, yummysmile




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  Reply # 1410900 22-Oct-2015 10:04
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My .22 results in many many rabbit pies, yummysmile


I don't have a firearms license - and I don't want one - but I must admit I have considered getting a bunny-buster air rifle. There are a few rabbits and possums around our place.




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When fair go do under age alcohol store stings, they make sure they dont complete a sale to avoid breaking the law.

She should have shown the loophole without breaking the law. She should get proscuted let a judge decide her fate.

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cruxis: When fair go do under age alcohol store stings, they make sure they dont complete a sale to avoid breaking the law.

She should have shown the loophole without breaking the law. She should get proscuted let a judge decide her fate.


I think we need to be careful with this attitude. There's a reason why there are public interest/journalism exceptions for many laws. In this particular case it appears the police were already aware of, and have closed, the loophole used. But what if they weren't? Our government isn't typically very responsive to being told privately about problems. (Yes, not just our government, and yes, many reasons why). Sometimes our society needs this kind of thing to happen very, very publicly in order to force things to change.

Why, just think, the government would never have had to change the law to make GCSB spying on kiwis legal if Dotcom hadn't made it public. :-/




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They (TV3) have highlighted that the current system is is sloppy.
Its easy to buy a firearm fraudulently.
Do think a real crook would worry for a second about using stolen credentials from a licenced firearm owner? - No they wouldnt.
And its sounds like they have been doing this recently in rapidly increasing numbers.

The police are now proposing that the forms must be filled in and checked by them - and the Police send the forms away.
ie the dealers only receive purchase forms via the police.

Better system for the dealers and the police have control over the process.

Thats sounds like a win for the dealers and the public.

Thank you TV3.

The dealer is just getting all p!ssy because he thinks he has been made to look a little foolish.
I dont think this is actually the case at all - though that is how he perceives it - the current system sucks and has let him down as well as the public.
He is now making himself look like a kid having a hissy fit.




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  Reply # 1410939 22-Oct-2015 10:33
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robjg63: They (TV3) have highlighted that the current system is is sloppy.
Its easy to buy a firearm fraudulently.
Do think a real crook would worry for a second about using stolen credentials from a licenced firearm owner? - No they wouldnt.
And its sounds like they have been doing this recently in rapidly increasing numbers.


Can you point to some evidence for this claim about criminals fraudulently buying guns?

I thought the preferred purchasing model for criminals was to steal the gun.

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