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  # 1415499 28-Oct-2015 13:57
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From a personal taste perspective, I'm sure Countdown's Signature Range ice cream has to be made by Tip Top.

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  # 1415501 28-Oct-2015 14:06
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allan: From a personal taste perspective, I'm sure Countdown's Signature Range ice cream has to be made by Tip Top.


Is it icecream or watered down "desert" stuff? I got a non brand what I thought was icecream once, but it wasnt. It was more ice than cream in it.




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  # 1415508 28-Oct-2015 14:26
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allan: From a personal taste perspective, I'm sure Countdown's Signature Range ice cream has to be made by Tip Top.


Is it icecream or watered down "desert" stuff? I got a non brand what I thought was icecream once, but it wasnt. It was more ice than cream in it.

Actual ice cream with a good texture, which is why I think it's Tip Top.

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  # 1415533 28-Oct-2015 14:43
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Pam's icecream is definitely made by Tip Top, or at least it was a decade ago. They told me that it's a slightly different recipe though, but I don't know if that's true.

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  # 1415537 28-Oct-2015 14:53
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allan: From a personal taste perspective, I'm sure Countdown's Signature Range ice cream has to be made by Tip Top.


... and Countdown's Signature Range breakfast Wheat Biscuits have to be made by Sanitarium - can't tell them apart.




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  # 1415543 28-Oct-2015 15:11
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michaelt: Pam's icecream is definitely made by Tip Top, or at least it was a decade ago. They told me that it's a slightly different recipe though, but I don't know if that's true.


have a look next time , it's not called icecream its called dairy dessert and it has only 3g of total fats compared to 5g in tiptop ice cream .to be called ice cream it has to have a minimum 10% milk fats.




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  # 1415547 28-Oct-2015 15:15
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The best way to check if the same product is made by another company and is simply rebadged as a house brand, is to look at the ingredients, and place of manufacturer, and compare with the  name brands. I avoid house brand products that are made outside of NZ or Oz, when there are proper brand products that are made in NZ or Oz. eg I avoid third world grown frozen vegetables etc, as you don't know the standards the good has been grown to, and chemicals used, as well as the freshness of water used in the growing of it.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1415548 28-Oct-2015 15:21
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mattwnz: I avoid house brand products that are made outside of NZ or Oz, when there are proper brand products that are made in NZ or Oz. eg I avoid third world grown frozen vegetables etc, as you don't know the standards the good has been grown to, and chemicals used, as well as the freshness of water used in the growing of it.


So you don't trust the supermarket chain to ensure that the goods are safe but you do trust the multi-national food producer to tell you where the food was grown.

I think I'd trust the supermarket company more than some of the big food producers.

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  # 1415549 28-Oct-2015 15:22
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michaelt: Pam's icecream is definitely made by Tip Top, or at least it was a decade ago. They told me that it's a slightly different recipe though, but I don't know if that's true.


have a look next time , it's not called icecream its called dairy dessert and it has only 3g of total fats compared to 5g in tiptop ice cream .to be called ice cream it has to have a minimum 10% milk fats.


I know Mel-o-rich is called frozen dessert, but I thought Pam's was still sold as icecream.

Regardless, it definitely is (or at least was) made in Tip Top's Mt. Wellington factory.

EDIT: That doesn't mean it's the same product

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  # 1415565 28-Oct-2015 15:48
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eracode: ... and Countdown's Signature Range breakfast Wheat Biscuits have to be made by Sanitarium - can't tell them apart.


Homebrand Wheat Biscuits are too, only difference is they don't contain the added vitamins/iron/etc.

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  # 1415567 28-Oct-2015 15:49
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What I find interesting is how the product can seem to come from the same supplier eg milk but the dietary info can be different eg the amount of claimed protein in budget va other fontera brand milk. One assumes this is due to the quality differences.

I've heard of a delivery of wetbix where pallet loads of the product had the real deal stamped on the outer but the product was the budget brand. Consider that only Weetbix contains whole grain and is reflected in the dietary info and ingredients but the products comes from the same source.

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mattwnz: I avoid house brand products that are made outside of NZ or Oz, when there are proper brand products that are made in NZ or Oz. eg I avoid third world grown frozen vegetables etc, as you don't know the standards the good has been grown to, and chemicals used, as well as the freshness of water used in the growing of it.


So you don't trust the supermarket chain to ensure that the goods are safe but you do trust the multi-national food producer to tell you where the food was grown.

I think I'd trust the supermarket company more than some of the big food producers.


No I don't as the supermarkets don't grow or produce the food, it is produced for them by third parties in most cases, even their own house branded stuff is produced for them by the companies that produce the branded stuff. The supermarket is only passing on the information provided to them by the supplier, and whether that information is correct, no one knows. I mean who would actually check... no-one... unless they received a compliant. We don't even have country of origin labeling, so they dont' have to say where it comes from. Often it will only say made in NZ from local and imported ingredients, even though the majority of the ingredients maybe imported. Who knows. We do have food and safety standards in NZ for NZ produced food,which is a lot stricter than other countries, and NZ bans a lot of the pesticides that are still common place in many other countries.

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MadEngineer: What I find interesting is how the product can seem to come from the same supplier eg milk but the dietary info can be different eg the amount of claimed protein in budget va other fontera brand milk. One assumes this is due to the quality differences.

I've heard of a delivery of wetbix where pallet loads of the product had the real deal stamped on the outer but the product was the budget brand. Consider that only Weetbix contains whole grain and is reflected in the dietary info and ingredients but the products comes from the same source.


I suspect they may tweak the recipies for certain brands to create differences. Or potentially they may use some cheaper ingredients or fillers for the cheaper stuff. Some of the cheaper brands can contain a lot more sugar I have found.

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mattwnz:
graemeh:
mattwnz: I avoid house brand products that are made outside of NZ or Oz, when there are proper brand products that are made in NZ or Oz. eg I avoid third world grown frozen vegetables etc, as you don't know the standards the good has been grown to, and chemicals used, as well as the freshness of water used in the growing of it.


So you don't trust the supermarket chain to ensure that the goods are safe but you do trust the multi-national food producer to tell you where the food was grown.

I think I'd trust the supermarket company more than some of the big food producers.


No I don't as the supermarkets don't grow or produce the food, it is produced for them by third parties in most cases, even their own house branded stuff is produced for them by the companies that produce the branded stuff. We do have food and safety standards in NZ for NZ produced food,which is a lot stricter than other countries, and NZ bans a lot of the pesticides that are still common place in many other countries.


And there are many pesticides in NZ that are not banned overseas



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  # 1415582 28-Oct-2015 16:25
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mattwnz:
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mattwnz: I avoid house brand products that are made outside of NZ or Oz, when there are proper brand products that are made in NZ or Oz. eg I avoid third world grown frozen vegetables etc, as you don't know the standards the good has been grown to, and chemicals used, as well as the freshness of water used in the growing of it.


So you don't trust the supermarket chain to ensure that the goods are safe but you do trust the multi-national food producer to tell you where the food was grown.

I think I'd trust the supermarket company more than some of the big food producers.


No I don't as the supermarkets don't grow or produce the food, it is produced for them by third parties in most cases, even their own house branded stuff is produced for them by the companies that produce the branded stuff. The supermarket is only passing on the information provided to them by the supplier, and whether that information is correct, no one knows. I mean who would actually check... no-one... unless they received a compliant. We don't even have country of origin labeling, so they dont' have to say where it comes from. Often it will only say made in NZ from local and imported ingredients, even though the majority of the ingredients maybe imported. Who knows. We do have food and safety standards in NZ for NZ produced food,which is a lot stricter than other countries, and NZ bans a lot of the pesticides that are still common place in many other countries.


The NZ food safety rules apply to both NZ produced and overseas produced food.  Obviously it is easier to ensure NZ produced food complies.

I think about the only food actually produced by the supermarket chains is the in-house bakery section and even most of that stuff is bought in.  The rest, as you say, is produced by third parties.

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