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  # 1415391 28-Oct-2015 11:29
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I have a beer or wine with my dinner, what's the problem with that?
If they are concerned about people getting boozy, just make it a maximum of one beer per meal ordered (combo only). No beer only sales.

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  # 1415399 28-Oct-2015 11:42
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networkn:
MikeB4: I cannot see the point, there should be some places one can take children without the risk of boozed up patrons. There is no need to sell this at every venue and every event, surely people can go for an hour without drinking booze.


This exactly! It's amazing to me the number of people who don't seem able to enjoy food without alcohol, or go without alcohol for a day or two. 


Promoting and supporting your "anti-drinking campaign" should not mean promoting guilt towards those that enjoy the odd beer or two.
Nothing wrong with having a beer with a meal, and no need to feel guilty about doing it either. 

 
 
 
 




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  # 1415402 28-Oct-2015 11:46
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DizzyD:
networkn:
MikeB4: I cannot see the point, there should be some places one can take children without the risk of boozed up patrons. There is no need to sell this at every venue and every event, surely people can go for an hour without drinking booze.


This exactly! It's amazing to me the number of people who don't seem able to enjoy food without alcohol, or go without alcohol for a day or two. 


Promoting and supporting your "anti-drinking campaign" should not mean promoting guilt towards those that enjoy the odd beer or two.
Nothing wrong with having a beer with a meal, and no need to feel guilty about doing it either. 


Not sure what Anti Drinking Campaign you are speaking of.


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  # 1415403 28-Oct-2015 11:49
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networkn:
DizzyD:
networkn:
MikeB4: I cannot see the point, there should be some places one can take children without the risk of boozed up patrons. There is no need to sell this at every venue and every event, surely people can go for an hour without drinking booze.


This exactly! It's amazing to me the number of people who don't seem able to enjoy food without alcohol, or go without alcohol for a day or two. 


Promoting and supporting your "anti-drinking campaign" should not mean promoting guilt towards those that enjoy the odd beer or two.
Nothing wrong with having a beer with a meal, and no need to feel guilty about doing it either. 


Not sure what Anti Drinking Campaign you are speaking of.



This thread = your campaign. 
It just sounds like you have an axe to grind when it comes to restaurants serving alcohol. 



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  # 1415424 28-Oct-2015 11:57
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DizzyD:
networkn:
DizzyD:
networkn:
MikeB4: I cannot see the point, there should be some places one can take children without the risk of boozed up patrons. There is no need to sell this at every venue and every event, surely people can go for an hour without drinking booze.


This exactly! It's amazing to me the number of people who don't seem able to enjoy food without alcohol, or go without alcohol for a day or two. 


Promoting and supporting your "anti-drinking campaign" should not mean promoting guilt towards those that enjoy the odd beer or two.
Nothing wrong with having a beer with a meal, and no need to feel guilty about doing it either. 


Not sure what Anti Drinking Campaign you are speaking of.



This thread = your campaign. 
It just sounds like you have an axe to grind when it comes to restaurants serving alcohol. 


I have no issues with RESTAURANTS serving alcohol, as long as people who are intoxicated aren't being served, and so long as those people don't drink and drive (separate issue). 

I do NOT consider Wendy's a restaurant, I consider it a fast food outlet (Same as a fish and chippery), regardless of the fact people eat inside it, and it has tables. The same quality of waiting staff aren't present and I forsee incidents occurring. There are already PLENTY of places you can already buy booze with your meal. Places with Drive through should be excluded (Yes I understand takeaway customers including drive through customers will not be able to buy beer). from having liquor licenses.


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  # 1415430 28-Oct-2015 12:03
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networkn: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/73433082/christchurch-wendys-could-start-selling-alcohol-with-burgers   

I seriously hope this gets thrown out. There is nothing good that comes of something like this. It would certainly ensure I never eat in with my family. 

I don't think places like this should serve alcohol, it's just a catalyst for trouble.

Not sure how they are going to handle the host responsibility section effectively.


KFC in Parramatta had a trial to sell beer and cider with their meals.  Didnt seem to create an uproar.  Not sure whether it progressed beyond trial phase.  At the time I thought that KFC NZ might try the same idea.  Seems Wendys might beat them to the punch.  While I dont have a problem per se, if one chain gets approval they'll all apply.
Better to restrict off-licence liquor licenses than anything else.  

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  # 1415433 28-Oct-2015 12:08
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networkn: 

I have no issues with RESTAURANTS serving alcohol, as long as people who are intoxicated aren't being served, and so long as those people don't drink and drive (separate issue). 

I do NOT consider Wendy's a restaurant, I consider it a fast food outlet (Same as a fish and chippery), regardless of the fact people eat inside it, and it has tables. The same quality of waiting staff aren't present and I forsee incidents occurring. There are already PLENTY of places you can already buy booze with your meal. Places with Drive through should be excluded (Yes I understand takeaway customers including drive through customers will not be able to buy beer). from having liquor licenses.



Christchurch West Information Hub co-ordinator Kirstin Dingwall-Okoye hoped to muster "as many objections as possible".

"This concerns me because Wendy's is a traditional burger restaurant, usually aimed at being family friendly," she said.



its a restaurant, with takeaway facilities. Well at least it fits the definition.

As for "beer to go", or with takeaways, I agree with you there. That should not be allowed. 

I don't believe "beer to go" is going to be an option. Well at least I see no mention of it in the article. Maybe its highlighted somewhere in the application. People are as usual just jumping onto the bandwagon before they know all the facts. 

 
 
 
 


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  # 1415435 28-Oct-2015 12:12
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ockel:
networkn: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/73433082/christchurch-wendys-could-start-selling-alcohol-with-burgers   

I seriously hope this gets thrown out. There is nothing good that comes of something like this. It would certainly ensure I never eat in with my family. 

I don't think places like this should serve alcohol, it's just a catalyst for trouble.

Not sure how they are going to handle the host responsibility section effectively.


KFC in Parramatta had a trial to sell beer and cider with their meals.  Didnt seem to create an uproar.  Not sure whether it progressed beyond trial phase.  At the time I thought that KFC NZ might try the same idea.  Seems Wendys might beat them to the punch.  While I dont have a problem per se, if one chain gets approval they'll all apply.
Better to restrict off-licence liquor licenses than anything else.  



It got refused by the Independent Liquor and Gaming Authority.  Something about inappropriate to sell in a fast food chain that served children.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/parramatta/a-kfc-plan-to-sell-beer-and-cider-at-its-new-urban-style-parramatta-restaurant-has-been-refused/story-fngr8huy-1227358663177



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  # 1415436 28-Oct-2015 12:15
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DizzyD:
networkn: 

I have no issues with RESTAURANTS serving alcohol, as long as people who are intoxicated aren't being served, and so long as those people don't drink and drive (separate issue). 

I do NOT consider Wendy's a restaurant, I consider it a fast food outlet (Same as a fish and chippery), regardless of the fact people eat inside it, and it has tables. The same quality of waiting staff aren't present and I forsee incidents occurring. There are already PLENTY of places you can already buy booze with your meal. Places with Drive through should be excluded (Yes I understand takeaway customers including drive through customers will not be able to buy beer). from having liquor licenses.



Christchurch West Information Hub co-ordinator Kirstin Dingwall-Okoye hoped to muster "as many objections as possible".

"This concerns me because Wendy's is a traditional burger restaurant, usually aimed at being family friendly," she said.



its a restaurant, with takeaway facilities. Well at least it fits the definition.

As for "beer to go", or with takeaways, I agree with you there. That should not be allowed. 

I don't believe "beer to go" is going to be an option. Well at least I see no mention of it in the article. Maybe its highlighted somewhere in the application. People are as usual just jumping onto the bandwagon before they know all the facts. 


I'm afraid we will need to agree to disagree. Just because it gets called a restaurant, doesn't in my eyes make it a restaurant. 

I didn't claim they would be offering takeaway alcohol, I don't think they would even try. 

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  # 1415439 28-Oct-2015 12:19
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No problem with beer to go in Holland. No problem ONLY buying beer to go from a snack bar. Also no problem with drunkenness.





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  # 1415441 28-Oct-2015 12:29
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networkn: 
I'm afraid we will need to agree to disagree. Just because it gets called a restaurant, doesn't in my eyes make it a restaurant. 

I didn't claim they would be offering takeaway alcohol, I don't think they would even try. 


Whats your definition of a restaurant?

Mine is a place where you can sit and eat. Normally not a place that serves fast food, but why should there be a difference? Many great restaurants around NZ serve takeouts, maybe not fast food, but still takeaways, and they licensed. What if Wendy's closed their drivethrough? Or stopped fast food? Would it then be OK?

I agree its a bit of a grey area, and the law needs clarity. 


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  # 1415445 28-Oct-2015 12:34
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What has the drive through got to do with it?

Liquor license would require alcohol to be consumed on site, in the restaurant and would not allow purchase of alcohol without food - as per a lot of restaurants.

Will very quickly see what happens if it is granted - in theory if the law is followed drunk people will be refused service, alcohol will be consumed onsite only and people causing a problem will be kicked out.

How Wendys would enforce that is the question - what training their staff get, how closely they actually monitor that, do they get bouncers? What hours do they serve alcohol.

Entirely possible it is granted, they violate it and get fined, then decide it is too hard.

edit: Currently fast food outlets are still frequented by hammered people on a Friday/Sat/Sun on the way into/home from town. Drunk people aren't usually refused service.

Is the concern that allowing alcohol in there would increase/cause more people to be drunk in the restaurant?

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  # 1415448 28-Oct-2015 12:40
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wasabi2k: What has the drive through got to do with it?


I don't know maybe networkn can comment. IMO it has nothing to do with it.

networkn: Places with Drive through should be excluded (Yes I understand takeaway customers including drive through customers will not be able to buy beer). from having liquor licenses.


wasabi2k: Liquor license would require alcohol to be consumed on site, in the restaurant and would not allow purchase of alcohol without food - as per a lot of restaurants.

Will very quickly see what happens if it is granted - in theory if the law is followed drunk people will be refused service, alcohol will be consumed onsite only and people causing a problem will be kicked out.

How Wendys would enforce that is the question - what training their staff get, how closely they actually monitor that, do they get bouncers? What hours do they serve alcohol.

Entirely possible it is granted, they violate it and get fined, then decide it is too hard.


Wendy's will manage it just like any other licensed restaurant has to manage it.

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  # 1415461 28-Oct-2015 12:50
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Yeah - was not implying they couldn't - just saying it would be interesting to see.

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  # 1415464 28-Oct-2015 12:55
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DizzyD:
networkn: 

Ok I don't get it. You said you know we have a drinking culture problem, yet you want to make alcohol MORE accessible? 

There are LOTS of family friendly places you can have a beer in NZ, Doolan's being the one that jumps right off the top of my head.


Alcohol is already very accessible. 
Its even available in supermarkets. Which to me should be a NO NO. 





I'm not sure about that: it's a shop that sells food and drink, so why not? UK supermarkets sell spirits as well as beer and wine and it does not seem to have caused the sky to fall.

Personally I find the preponderance of 'liquor' shops festooned down every high street in NZ less attractive than the idea of selling it supermarkets. They just look like shops for addicts to me, and make alcohol look like a special drug rather than creating any sort of normality about it that might make it less of an attraction to certain personalities.

Personally I drink very little - often end up chucking beer that has gone out of date before it was drunk - so it would not bother me particularly if they banned it altogether but of course they won't.

I do not think a fast food joint is really the right place for it though on balance.

I do think we need to review the law around cannabis though: it is mad that you can buy and drink 10 bottles of vodka but you can't have a joint.





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