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  # 1429896 17-Nov-2015 19:40
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SJB: ISIS will eventually fail without any intervention from the West.

All brutal regimes have from Stalin's Russia to Pol Pot's Cambodia although they sometimes last a long time. ISIS have established a de-facto state in parts of Iraq and Syria but when villages or towns are taken back from them they are empty, the original population having either fled or been killed.

You can't build a functioning state without having a large number of willing participants and apart from a few thousand fanatics they have no willing participants. The vast majority of them will lack the skills or intelligence to construct or run any form of society anyway.

Distressing though the attack in Paris and others have been they need to be kept in perspective. You are more likely to be hit by lightning than killed or injured by a terrorist attack even if you live in Afghanistan or Iraq.

The press, politicians and social media have a lot to answer for when these sorts of incidents occur by sensationalising them. President Hollande calling it a war against ISIS will only help in gaining them recruits. He's hopelessly incompetent.


I don't agree with much of this.  As I understand it, there's some local support from (persecuted) Sunni minorities.  When the villages are "taken back", then by western-assisted forces with drones / fighter jets, air support for ground forces etc - but fighting an ISIS "blended in" with the local community, then who could blame those civilian locals for fleeing? From some reports I've read, life for those locals is better under ISIS than before, they actually did get infrastructure working and their form of law and order installed, which was better than the previous chaos.

As for Hollande's "war on ISIS", well he's a politician - he has to do something.  Unfortunately, it's what they want and expect.  Drop large bombs from aircraft on ISIS occupied towns, and there will be civilian casualties.  These incidents will be played for all they're worth.  There will be a counter and hard-line view that those locals are "harbouring" or "sympathetic to" terrorists.  The reality is that they've probably got no choice. 

It's a huge festering mess - and a "big" problem.  Western support for stable government will always be misinterpreted by persecuted minorities.  Western support has been fickle and subject to changing self-interest, human rights abuse widespread, but western tolerance to it depends who's doing the killing.


Our problem is being unable to keep our noses out. If we had simply sealed the border where we are affected and ignored the messes the occupants of the Middle East are making all would be well.

Certain people can't help but decide it's our "duty" to butt in when they don't run things the way the West thinks they should.


Things would be simpler if they had no oil. That way the corporates would not be "lobbying" their respective governments to encourage a "friendly government" be in place.

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  # 1429898 17-Nov-2015 19:43
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gzt: The attacks in Paris are a provocation. Isis real intention is to cause a reaction.



And it could be the current government in Syria etc instigated it to force the west to assist them.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1429900 17-Nov-2015 19:48
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joker97: Still have no idea where they get the money to fund their activities.


From governments , corporations, individuals who all benefit financially from the conflict.


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  # 1429902 17-Nov-2015 19:55
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joker97: Still have no idea where they get the money to fund their activities.


The attacks in Paris wouldn't have cost much.  The 9/11 attacks wouldn't have cost much either.  Terrorism is cheap - so long as you can get "volunteers" who don't care about their own lives.

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  # 1430746 18-Nov-2015 22:37
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Breaking news. Police have raided a flat in Paris. Lots of explosions and gunfire. One suicide bomber blew herself up. Another dead. Four arrested. Raid is over but operations still underway.





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  # 1430750 18-Nov-2015 22:40
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joker97: Still have no idea where they get the money to fund their activities.


Captured oil fields and production is providing consindexable funds for them.




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  # 1430756 18-Nov-2015 22:54
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"A female suspect blew herself up with a suicide belt"

I guess this pretty much elevate her status from "suspect" to "dead confessed terrorist" now. And she won't even find the virgins in paradise.







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freitasm: "A female suspect blew herself up with a suicide belt"

I guess this pretty much elevate her status from "suspect" to "dead confessed terrorist" now. And she won't even find the virgins in paradise.





Perhaps she gets to be one instead?





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The French police fired 5000 rounds of ammo it's reported. The buildings must look like Swiss cheese now. I'd hate to be on the clean up crew! wink

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  # 1431003 19-Nov-2015 10:53
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MikeB4:
joker97: Still have no idea where they get the money to fund their activities.


Captured oil fields and production is providing consindexable funds for them.


On Monday this week Kathryn Ryan on NatRad interviewed Loretta Napoleoni, an 'an expert on terrorist financing and money laundering', about the source of ISIS finances; one thing I recall her saying is ISIS is estimated to get $500,000 (US I assume) a week from the money they extract from Syrian refugees leaving the country (as payment to allow them to cross the border).

Interesting interview; here's the link to it:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201778896/terror-networking-and-finance-expert-on-paris-attacks

She also interviewed her last year about the rise of ISIS, which again was interesting listening:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/20152590/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-islamic-state

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French authorities are, understandably, really pissed off. Any terrorist with half a brain is going to go deep underground. This is a really bad time for them to be planning any follow-up attacks.
 




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Rikkitic: French authorities are, understandably, really pissed off. Any terrorist with half a brain is going to go deep underground. This is a really bad time for them to be planning any follow-up attacks.
 


...which appears to have been exactly what they were intending to do anyway.

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  # 1431048 19-Nov-2015 11:35
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Rikkitic: French authorities are, understandably, really pissed off. Any terrorist with half a brain is going to go deep underground. This is a really bad time for them to be planning any follow-up attacks.
 


when was it ever a good time for them to do planning?




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