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  Reply # 1436074 27-Nov-2015 14:46
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Fred99:
And the end result for Russia that economic sanctions will hurt them too, and they'll have to pull their heads in with regard to their frequent excursions of military into foreign airspace, in Europe, not just in that area.  In goods and service trade. Russia exports to Turkey 4x what they import.
Stupid childish behaviour by "leaders".  Not what the world needs.


It just got better now according to the BBC Turkey's president said [earlier] if it had known the plane was Russian "maybe we would have warned it differently". The Russians have said they did know. It seems these "leaders" cannot help themselves not to dig themselves into holes

So it now seems 'protecting ones airspace and border integrity' is selective [which of course has always been the case]


Political talk. Of course they knew. Who else would be there bombing their Syrian rebel descendants.

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  Reply # 1436114 27-Nov-2015 15:31
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Gwynne Dyer's analysis of the situation from today's Herald:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11552345

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  Reply # 1436166 27-Nov-2015 16:32
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xlinknz:
Fred99:
And the end result for Russia that economic sanctions will hurt them too, and they'll have to pull their heads in with regard to their frequent excursions of military into foreign airspace, in Europe, not just in that area.  In goods and service trade. Russia exports to Turkey 4x what they import.
Stupid childish behaviour by "leaders".  Not what the world needs.


It just got better now according to the BBC Turkey's president said [earlier] if it had known the plane was Russian "maybe we would have warned it differently". The Russians have said they did know. It seems these "leaders" cannot help themselves not to dig themselves into holes

So it now seems 'protecting ones airspace and border integrity' is selective [which of course has always been the case]


Political talk. Of course they knew. Who else would be there bombing their Syrian rebel descendants.


Indeed and as Putin says "If it was an American aircraft, would they have struck?"

jonathan18: Gwynne Dyer's analysis of the situation from today's Herald:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11552345


Yes I saw that a good perspective and is in line with the op...

DaveB: Did Turkey really think they were being attacked by the Russian aircraft? What the hell are they up to?

Are they annoyed that Russia is cutting off the oil supply that they have been buying off ISIS? Turkey plays a massive role in this area and one has to ask, do they really want stability in the area?

Is Turkey the "unknown wildcard" here? 


An answer your last question - German Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel called Turkish actions unpredictable: “This incident shows for the first time that we are dealing with an actor who is unpredictable according to statements from various parts of the region – that is not Russia, that is Turkey."




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  Reply # 1438126 30-Nov-2015 20:49
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NATO and potus will back turkey all the way. Shocking really. The US have been trying to destabilise Assad for a very long time looking to make him react and capitalise on his mistakes.

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