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Topic # 189295 22-Dec-2015 22:39
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I read a news story about the Charlie Hebdo thing today, followed by something about some bottom feeder not being admitted to NZ because he was what I misread as a bikkie ( I was wondering whether he was a chocolate digestive or a Hobnob)

Anyway...ignoring the infantile adding of 'ie' to words and moving on:

I wondered what the result would be in NZ if in a Hebdoesque way we all started wearing jackets with Mongrel Mob patches etc on every day....there's not much they can do to 4 million people!





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  Reply # 1455747 23-Dec-2015 02:53
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What's a Hobnob? 




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  Reply # 1455748 23-Dec-2015 03:02
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kiwifidget: What's a Hobnob? 


Lord of the rings thing I think?




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  Reply # 1455755 23-Dec-2015 06:40
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Geektastic: I wondered what the result would be in NZ if in a Hebdoesque way we all started wearing jackets with Mongrel Mob patches etc on every day....there's not much they can do to 4 million people!


Depends on which "they". You could try out your modified Harris Tweed on the local Mob or Black Power before worrying about any officialdom.

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  Reply # 1455756 23-Dec-2015 07:06
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I say, that is just a storm in a tea cup, what.




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  Reply # 1455757 23-Dec-2015 07:08
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Why shouldn't criminals be kept out of NZ? or am I missing something.

Motorcycle gangs are generally thinly disguised criminal organisation.

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  Reply # 1455794 23-Dec-2015 08:18
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dickytim: 
Motorcycle gangs are generally thinly disguised criminal organisation.


Someones been drinking the police koolaid.






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  Reply # 1455805 23-Dec-2015 08:39
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All you have to do is wear a red t-shirt. Some of these idiots seem to think they own the colour. I have no problem at all with motorcycle clubs (and I do make the distinction) but these gangs are given way too much respect by the authorities. Anyone in a gang patch should be subject to immediate arrest for disturbing the peace. What gives these people any kind of claim to anything?
 




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Rikkitic: Anyone in a gang patch should be subject to immediate arrest for disturbing the peace. What gives these people any kind of claim to anything?
 


What exactly constitutes a 'gang patch'? I don't really want to live in a country where boy scouts get arrested because the police don't like their fashion sense.

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  Reply # 1455890 23-Dec-2015 11:21
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dickytim: Why shouldn't criminals be kept out of NZ? or am I missing something.

Motorcycle gangs are generally thinly disguised criminal organisation.


Umm, just missing this tiny bit:

"John Miller, 34, who has no criminal convictions, was denied entry to New Zealand because of his club membership. - See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/12/22/nz-sends-bikie-member-back-to-brisbane.html#sthash.iBQAmfqA.dpuf"

So must just be guilty by association, huh?

Sure the guy may be dodgy and just not having been caught/convicted, but unless we have clear evidence to the contrary on what substantive grounds does NZ have to refuse his entry?

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  Reply # 1455911 23-Dec-2015 11:32
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alasta:
Rikkitic: Anyone in a gang patch should be subject to immediate arrest for disturbing the peace. What gives these people any kind of claim to anything?
 


What exactly constitutes a 'gang patch'? I don't really want to live in a country where boy scouts get arrested because the police don't like their fashion sense.


Neither do I, but there is such a thing as common sense. Most 'patches' are easily identifiable as such because the cretins who wear them are proud of what they represent (fear and intimidation). Other logos can be given the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. It would not be difficult to set up a register of badges deemed inappropriate.

As to that other gentleman, I completely agree there is no basis for excluding him from the country and those responsible are just playing panic ball. As long as he doesn't wear a patch here, he should be allowed in.
 




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  Reply # 1455914 23-Dec-2015 11:34
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So, now clothing should be regulated?  PC gone mad

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  Reply # 1455916 23-Dec-2015 11:36
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Rikkitic:
alasta:
Rikkitic: Anyone in a gang patch should be subject to immediate arrest for disturbing the peace. What gives these people any kind of claim to anything?
 


What exactly constitutes a 'gang patch'? I don't really want to live in a country where boy scouts get arrested because the police don't like their fashion sense.


Neither do I, but there is such a thing as common sense. Most 'patches' are easily identifiable as such because the cretins who wear them are proud of what they represent (fear and intimidation). Other logos can be given the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. It would not be difficult to set up a register of badges deemed inappropriate.

As to that other gentleman, I completely agree there is no basis for excluding him from the country and those responsible are just playing panic ball. As long as he doesn't wear a patch here, he should be allowed in.
 


Such crazy censorship! How did it work out for the hick town that tried to ban gang patches?






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  Reply # 1455921 23-Dec-2015 11:41
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Its a Police issue. If  a group or individual wants to walk round with a rearward advertisement, up to them. They like it, Police have a warning sign. Whats not to like?

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  Reply # 1455927 23-Dec-2015 11:55
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In civilised countries people don't get prosecuted until they commit a crime. It's a very slippery slope to suggest that people should be prosecuted because they look like they might commit a crime.

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alasta: In civilised countries people don't get prosecuted until they commit a crime. It's a very slippery slope to suggest that people should be prosecuted because they look like they might commit a crime.


??? Have you heard of ISIS? People here and in Australia (and Europe and the USA) are now being arrested for planning/intending/thinking about joining the group, or even just flying to somewhere in the region. If you think there is a slippery slope here, I would suggest to you that the avalanche is already well underway. The difference, if any, is that the one is thought crime while the other is displaying a banner. I am utterly against censorship in all forms but I am even more against morons who misuse symbols to throw their weight around. As far as I am concerned, anyone can wear anything they like, or even nothing at all, but as soon it is abused they lose their right to an uncensored existence. Freedom comes with responsibility.





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