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  Reply # 1456101 23-Dec-2015 16:11
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MikeB4:
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MikeB4: And now the endless appeals


The endless waste of tax payers money!

If that was ever a concern our then our government should never have started down this way with the raids in the first place. Really silly for the NZ police and government to get so involved in this USA business.


Are you saying he should have been left alone to carry on his illegal activity?

This activity is not even illegal in NZ. The accusation of copyright violation is not even an extraditable offence. Imho this is a civil/business matter best addressed between the parties.

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There are some benefits whether he is guilty or not

He was part of a mix that hopefully results in better and greater transparency of nz intelligence agencies activities and mandates e.g. gcsb

Agencies that in their rush to do what they felt right [whether politically motivated or to please outside agencies ?] broke the law


 




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  Reply # 1456111 23-Dec-2015 16:16
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gzt:
MikeB4:
gzt:
Andib:
MikeB4: And now the endless appeals


The endless waste of tax payers money!

If that was ever a concern our then our government should never have started down this way with the raids in the first place. Really silly for the NZ police and government to get so involved in this USA business.


Are you saying he should have been left alone to carry on his illegal activity?

This activity is not even illegal in NZ. The accusation of copyright violation is not even an extraditable offence. Imho this is a civil/business matter best addressed between the parties.


Unfortunately if he does get extradited he won't get a fair trial with all the Hollyweird money behind this..  It will be a show trial along the lines of  "Look out or we will do this to you as well" 




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gzt:
MikeB4:
gzt:
Andib:
MikeB4: And now the endless appeals


The endless waste of tax payers money!

If that was ever a concern our then our government should never have started down this way with the raids in the first place. Really silly for the NZ police and government to get so involved in this USA business.


Are you saying he should have been left alone to carry on his illegal activity?

This activity is not even illegal in NZ. The accusation of copyright violation is not even an extraditable offence. Imho this is a civil/business matter best addressed between the parties.


Isn't there more than just copyright violations that he is being sought for ?

Also the Courts have concluded that there are grounds for extradition




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  Reply # 1456122 23-Dec-2015 16:25
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MikeB4:
gzt:
MikeB4:
gzt:
Andib:
MikeB4: And now the endless appeals


The endless waste of tax payers money!

If that was ever a concern our then our government should never have started down this way with the raids in the first place. Really silly for the NZ police and government to get so involved in this USA business.


Are you saying he should have been left alone to carry on his illegal activity?

This activity is not even illegal in NZ. The accusation of copyright violation is not even an extraditable offence. Imho this is a civil/business matter best addressed between the parties.


Isn't there more than just copyright violations that he is being sought for ?

Also the Courts have concluded that there are grounds for extradition


yeah he's also wanted for money laundering and something else I can't remember what offhand but the money laundering charge is an extraditable offence

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Athlonite:
MikeB4:
gzt:
MikeB4:
gzt:
Andib:
MikeB4: And now the endless appeals


The endless waste of tax payers money!

If that was ever a concern our then our government should never have started down this way with the raids in the first place. Really silly for the NZ police and government to get so involved in this USA business.


Are you saying he should have been left alone to carry on his illegal activity?

This activity is not even illegal in NZ. The accusation of copyright violation is not even an extraditable offence. Imho this is a civil/business matter best addressed between the parties.


Isn't there more than just copyright violations that he is being sought for ?

Also the Courts have concluded that there are grounds for extradition


yeah he's also wanted for money laundering and something else I can't remember what offhand but the money laundering charge is an extraditable offence


But to be laundering money it must have been gained illegally... hence it all rests on whether any alleged copyright infringement was illegal in the first place, and whether he was actually hiding the money somehow.

Don't get me wrong, Mr. Schmitz is an a-hole of the first degree and has somewhat brought this on himself.  But from where I'm standing the whole thing is a gross perversion of justice.

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Athlonite:
MikeB4:
gzt:
MikeB4:
gzt:
Andib:
MikeB4: And now the endless appeals


The endless waste of tax payers money!

If that was ever a concern our then our government should never have started down this way with the raids in the first place. Really silly for the NZ police and government to get so involved in this USA business.


Are you saying he should have been left alone to carry on his illegal activity?

This activity is not even illegal in NZ. The accusation of copyright violation is not even an extraditable offence. Imho this is a civil/business matter best addressed between the parties.


Isn't there more than just copyright violations that he is being sought for ?

Also the Courts have concluded that there are grounds for extradition


yeah he's also wanted for money laundering and something else I can't remember what offhand but the money laundering charge is an extraditable offence

Yes but not really. These other things are all built as flow on from the allegations of copyright violation. Ie; spending and reinvestment of money from ad revenue.

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  Reply # 1456144 23-Dec-2015 16:46
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I don't really care what happens to him, but reading this article makes me want him to stick it to the US: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150326/18041530458/how-us-government-legally-stole-millions-kim-dotcom.shtml


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  Reply # 1456223 23-Dec-2015 18:44
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The money laundering thing smacks of the tax evasion they got Al Capone on....





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  Reply # 1456235 23-Dec-2015 19:26
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MikeB4: 

Are you saying he should have been left alone to carry on his illegal activity?


Aren't you jumping the gun in labelling his activity as illegal? That has yet to be decided. Whatever happened to innocent until found guilty?


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  Reply # 1456237 23-Dec-2015 19:30
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TimA: He has been a burden since day 1.


Not true. To start with, he was net source of cash to everyone from real estate agents to car salesmen to John Banks. Hmmm... in retrospect, he probably wasn't much use to anyone who mattered.


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I was listening to talk back today on the radio and somebody rung up and made a good point.

Whats the difference between Megaupload and big companies using their own online storage programs? EG Microsoft and Google.

Megaupload was full of links to movies etc, but you cant tell me there is not a single link on OneDrive or Google Drive that links to a movie/album/TV Show etc?

Shouldn't Google/Microsoft (And other companies) all be made to take the online storages down?

People would be paying for subscriptions to those online storage programs, and hosting links of movies etc. Google and Microsoft (Again, and every other online storage program) would be making money off this.

I dont really know much about the case, just thought the caller made a really good point.

Cant have 1 rule for 1, and another rule for the others.

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At first i felt sorry for him. After the general elections i didn't feel sorry for him.

But i cannot understand the way the CIA raided his mansion GTA style. Because of that it is hard for me to accept his trial was fair.

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  Reply # 1456259 23-Dec-2015 20:20
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Finch: I was listening to talk back today on the radio and somebody rung up and made a good point.

Whats the difference between Megaupload and big companies using their own online storage programs? EG Microsoft and Google.

Megaupload was full of links to movies etc, but you cant tell me there is not a single link on OneDrive or Google Drive that links to a movie/album/TV Show etc?

Shouldn't Google/Microsoft (And other companies) all be made to take the online storages down?

Because Microsoft, Google and Apple strip links to pirated material when asked, but he paid people who linked to it thru megaupload? ie: people that pirated and had lots of downloads got PAID to keep the links active and busy.


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  Reply # 1456263 23-Dec-2015 20:29
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Finch: I was listening to talk back today on the radio and somebody rung up and made a good point.

Whats the difference between Megaupload and big companies using their own online storage programs? EG Microsoft and Google.

Megaupload was full of links to movies etc, but you cant tell me there is not a single link on OneDrive or Google Drive that links to a movie/album/TV Show etc?

Shouldn't Google/Microsoft (And other companies) all be made to take the online storages down?

Because Microsoft, Google and Apple strip links to pirated material when asked, but he paid people who linked to it thru megaupload? ie: people that pirated and had lots of downloads got PAID to keep the links active and busy.

Maybe so, but that doesn't stop somebody from re uploading it.



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