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  Reply # 1456361 24-Dec-2015 00:09
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Dratsab:
JWR: what applies to him - applies to the rest of us.

Why? Are each of us individually carrying out business with US citizens?

Distributed an accidently usa patent infringing 3D print design or hosted one? It has the potential to get very very silly...

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  Reply # 1456374 24-Dec-2015 05:58
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Never understood why he doesn't want to go to the USA.

his court case there is less likely to go against him

tying up his resources and time in New Zealand has destroyed any sympathy he had.

he’ll be here for another 2-3 year trying to overturn this via the New Zealand court

Given the stupid stuff our Supreme Court does, who knows what will happen

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1456375 24-Dec-2015 06:20
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I wonder if the support for Dotcom is not about him but more about people concerned that something they are getting for free will be taken away.




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  Reply # 1456376 24-Dec-2015 06:32
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MikeB4: I wonder if the support for Dotcom is not about him but more about people concerned that something they are getting for free will be taken away.

It is easy to make this claim. A review of the comments above shows this is not the case here on Geekzone at least.

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  Reply # 1456377 24-Dec-2015 06:36
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MikeB4: I wonder if the support for Dotcom is not about him but more about people concerned that something they are getting for free will be taken away.

It is easy to make this claim. A review of the comments above shows this is not the case here on Geekzone at least.


I was thinking of the greater community not so much GZ.




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  Reply # 1456379 24-Dec-2015 06:45
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nathan: Never understood why he doesn't want to go to the USA.

his court case there is less likely to go against him

tying up his resources and time in New Zealand has destroyed any sympathy he had.

he’ll be here for another 2-3 year trying to overturn this via the New Zealand court

Given the stupid stuff our Supreme Court does, who knows what will happen

With the initial actions of the NZ government on behalf of the US govt those resources were put out of his reach and unavailable. Dotcom.challenged.some of that and only subsequently gained some limited access to those resources. Maybe unlikely in usa?

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GeoffisPure: I'm disappointed that a large number of posts in this thread have been based on a like or dislike for the defendant and not whether or not laws were broken.

Kim Dotcom is being extradited:
 - Because of the actions of his users
 - who were potentially breaking a law that isn't a law in this country

I'm not saying Kim is pure and innocent.  I'm saying that he set things up in a way that SHOULDN'T make him liable for the actions of others.

It blows my mind that someone can be extradited for breaking a law in a country where they've never been. 


Agreed

I am also surprised given the nature of this forum which is tech/science/fact based that so many commenters seems to have ignored the information that has been provided over the years since his arrest and instead gone:

"F%ck him - never liked the prick - feed him to the dogs"

He has a right to defend himself irrespective of the cost and who pays (its the way our justice system works) - our police and govt have been heavy handed stooges of the US (this is not a good thing) - he deserves a fair trial (as we all do) and I do wonder if he will get that in the US.





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  Reply # 1456386 24-Dec-2015 07:55
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GeoffisPure: I'm disappointed that a large number of posts in this thread have been based on a like or dislike for the defendant and not whether or not laws were broken.

Kim Dotcom is being extradited:
 - Because of the actions of his users
 - who were potentially breaking a law that isn't a law in this country

I'm not saying Kim is pure and innocent.  I'm saying that he set things up in a way that SHOULDN'T make him liable for the actions of others.

It blows my mind that someone can be extradited for breaking a law in a country where they've never been. 


Agreed

I am also surprised given the nature of this forum which is tech/science/fact based that so many commenters seems to have ignored the information that has been provided over the years since his arrest and instead gone:

"F%ck him - never liked the prick - feed him to the dogs"

He has a right to defend himself irrespective of the cost and who pays (its the way our justice system works) - our police and govt have been heavy handed stooges of the US (this is not a good thing) - he deserves a fair trial (as we all do) and I do wonder if he will get that in the US.



I agree some people don't seem to want to know the whole story or the more important one i.e. the govts actions

The govt agencies involved have been more than heavy handed they acted illegally, are they being held to account ?

The expense to the tax payer has been a result as much of govt poor actions as it has of dotcom





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nathan: Never understood why he doesn't want to go to the USA.

his court case there is less likely to go against him

tying up his resources and time in New Zealand has destroyed any sympathy he had.

he’ll be here for another 2-3 year trying to overturn this via the New Zealand court

Given the stupid stuff our Supreme Court does, who knows what will happen


Because

1. He has a right to oppose
2. He has said before that he would go voluntarily if he was guaranteed bail and access to funds for legal defense and living costs.

 

     

  1. Bail
  2. In 2012 he said: Hey DOJ, we will go to the US. No need for extradition. We want bail, funds unfrozen for lawyers & living expenses

 

Without that, there is risk it will not be a fair trial

A video of his lawyer asking about this in court

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I believe DC made 2 mistakes.

Firstly AFAIK the MegaUpload servers were in the US. That meant any offence has been committed in the US even if the person is not physically present.

Secondly he based himself in a country that seems to s**t itself as soon as the US opens it's mouth.

If the servers had been in Latvia or some other god forsaken place and he had based himself in any South American country he'd probably still be going today.

If he was responsible for the actions of his users as the authorities maintain why aren't Ford, Toyota etc charged when someone is caught speeding or driving drunk or gun manufacturers charged when somebody is murdered.

I don't like the guy but this whole saga is just another example of why so many people have such a low opinion of the US.

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  Reply # 1456415 24-Dec-2015 10:28
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Did he not offer long ago to travel to the USA voluntarily if they allowed him access to his money for a defence?





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SJB: I believe DC made 2 mistakes.

Firstly AFAIK the MegaUpload servers were in the US. That meant any offence has been committed in the US even if the person is not physically present.

Secondly he based himself in a country that seems to s**t itself as soon as the US opens it's mouth.

If the servers had been in Latvia or some other god forsaken place and he had based himself in any South American country he'd probably still be going today.

If he was responsible for the actions of his users as the authorities maintain why aren't Ford, Toyota etc charged when someone is caught speeding or driving drunk or gun manufacturers charged when somebody is murdered.

I don't like the guy but this whole saga is just another example of why so many people have such a low opinion of the US.


I suggest reading the 217 page judges decision

it is absolutely farcical that he did not know what was going on.

The evidence of transcripts were presented where they were discussing
deleting the infringing links, but not caring about requests from countries like Mexico or Vietnam
Dotcom specifically requesting everything from the last 4 weeks that was deleted to be undeleted even though they'd been told it breached copyright
making up stories about not receiving take down requests from Police
manipulating the top 100 lists of download so no copyright material was mentioned
specifically downloading a large % of youtube videos and uploading them to MV so they could claim users were uploading home movies etc

read all about it here https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/united-states-of-america-v-dotcom-and-ors/at_download/fileDecision


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SJB: I believe DC made 2 mistakes.

Firstly AFAIK the MegaUpload servers were in the US. That meant any offence has been committed in the US even if the person is not physically present.

Secondly he based himself in a country that seems to s**t itself as soon as the US opens it's mouth.

If the servers had been in Latvia or some other god forsaken place and he had based himself in any South American country he'd probably still be going today.

If he was responsible for the actions of his users as the authorities maintain why aren't Ford, Toyota etc charged when someone is caught speeding or driving drunk or gun manufacturers charged when somebody is murdered.

I don't like the guy but this whole saga is just another example of why so many people have such a low opinion of the US.


Because accidents or incidents are fractions of a percent of the activities of the driving and shooting devices. the opposite applies to MU's file usage.   

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SJB: I believe DC made 2 mistakes.

Firstly AFAIK the MegaUpload servers were in the US. That meant any offence has been committed in the US even if the person is not physically present.

Secondly he based himself in a country that seems to s**t itself as soon as the US opens it's mouth.

If the servers had been in Latvia or some other god forsaken place and he had based himself in any South American country he'd probably still be going today.

If he was responsible for the actions of his users as the authorities maintain why aren't Ford, Toyota etc charged when someone is caught speeding or driving drunk or gun manufacturers charged when somebody is murdered.

I don't like the guy but this whole saga is just another example of why so many people have such a low opinion of the US.


Because accidents or incidents are fractions of a percent of the activities of the driving and shooting devices. the opposite applies to MU's file usage.   

I don't see what difference the percentage makes.

A car manufacturer could be sued if a single person is injured due to a design fault in a car.

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