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  Reply # 1456458 24-Dec-2015 11:40
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TimA: No one will ever know what he or they have done but if the USA wants them that bad it must be for good reason.


So he is to be incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay rather than have a public trial?

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  Reply # 1456459 24-Dec-2015 11:44
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I am also surprised given the nature of this forum which is tech/science/fact based that so many commenters seems to have ignored the information that has been provided over the years since his arrest and instead gone:

"F%ck him - never liked the prick - feed him to the dogs"

He has a right to defend himself irrespective of the cost and who pays (its the way our justice system works) - our police and govt have been heavy handed stooges of the US (this is not a good thing) - he deserves a fair trial (as we all do) and I do wonder if he will get that in the US.



I have found those people are usually below average, believing that when misfortune befalls above average people that their station in life is somehow elevated.

Let them gloat and crow, its all they have. 

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1456460 24-Dec-2015 11:45
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SJB:
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SJB: I believe DC made 2 mistakes.

Firstly AFAIK the MegaUpload servers were in the US. That meant any offence has been committed in the US even if the person is not physically present.

Secondly he based himself in a country that seems to s**t itself as soon as the US opens it's mouth.

If the servers had been in Latvia or some other god forsaken place and he had based himself in any South American country he'd probably still be going today.

If he was responsible for the actions of his users as the authorities maintain why aren't Ford, Toyota etc charged when someone is caught speeding or driving drunk or gun manufacturers charged when somebody is murdered.

I don't like the guy but this whole saga is just another example of why so many people have such a low opinion of the US.


Because accidents or incidents are fractions of a percent of the activities of the driving and shooting devices. the opposite applies to MU's file usage.   

I don't see what difference the percentage makes.

A car manufacturer could be sued if a single person is injured due to a design fault in a car.


?? Makes no sense. Caught speeding or somebody is murdered isnt a design fault

Perhaps your position is as per one poster made early in this thread, that your real concern is losing the ability to use file sharing sites for downloading copyright content

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  Reply # 1456471 24-Dec-2015 12:11
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tdgeek:
SJB:
tdgeek:
SJB: I believe DC made 2 mistakes.

Firstly AFAIK the MegaUpload servers were in the US. That meant any offence has been committed in the US even if the person is not physically present.

Secondly he based himself in a country that seems to s**t itself as soon as the US opens it's mouth.

If the servers had been in Latvia or some other god forsaken place and he had based himself in any South American country he'd probably still be going today.

If he was responsible for the actions of his users as the authorities maintain why aren't Ford, Toyota etc charged when someone is caught speeding or driving drunk or gun manufacturers charged when somebody is murdered.

I don't like the guy but this whole saga is just another example of why so many people have such a low opinion of the US.


Because accidents or incidents are fractions of a percent of the activities of the driving and shooting devices. the opposite applies to MU's file usage.   

I don't see what difference the percentage makes.

A car manufacturer could be sued if a single person is injured due to a design fault in a car.


Perhaps your position is as per one poster made early in this thread, that your real concern is losing the ability to use file sharing sites for downloading copyright content


Hardly. My only concern is the legality of the whole process.

But then as Nixon once said if the President (and by extension the US) does it it's not illegal.

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  Reply # 1456486 24-Dec-2015 12:40
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SJB:
tdgeek:
SJB:
tdgeek:
SJB: I believe DC made 2 mistakes.

Firstly AFAIK the MegaUpload servers were in the US. That meant any offence has been committed in the US even if the person is not physically present.

Secondly he based himself in a country that seems to s**t itself as soon as the US opens it's mouth.

If the servers had been in Latvia or some other god forsaken place and he had based himself in any South American country he'd probably still be going today.

If he was responsible for the actions of his users as the authorities maintain why aren't Ford, Toyota etc charged when someone is caught speeding or driving drunk or gun manufacturers charged when somebody is murdered.

I don't like the guy but this whole saga is just another example of why so many people have such a low opinion of the US.


Because accidents or incidents are fractions of a percent of the activities of the driving and shooting devices. the opposite applies to MU's file usage.   

I don't see what difference the percentage makes.

A car manufacturer could be sued if a single person is injured due to a design fault in a car.


Perhaps your position is as per one poster made early in this thread, that your real concern is losing the ability to use file sharing sites for downloading copyright content


Hardly. My only concern is the legality of the whole process.

But then as Nixon once said if the President (and by extension the US) does it it's not illegal.


Sounds almost exactly like our own Helen Clark, "By definition, I cannot leak"

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Nor can I notice the speed of the police motorcade racing me to a rugby match thru south Canterbury

Nor did I notice when I signed paintings I didn't paint

Nor did I notice that I'm married to a man

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  Reply # 1456509 24-Dec-2015 13:43
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People like Dotcom add colour to our lives. Without him the last election would have been a lot less interesting. An argument can even be made that people who would not have otherwise become engaged in the political process did so thanks to him.





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Rikkitic: People like Dotcom add colour to our lives. Without him the last election would have been a lot less interesting. An argument can even be made that people who would not have otherwise become engaged in the political process did so thanks to him.



I thihk thats quite a stretch. For the non IT crowd its a news item that appears every now and then, then goes. For the IT crowd it creates threads of for and against. I can't see its added much value or colour. 

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Rikkitic: People like Dotcom add colour to our lives. Without him the last election would have been a lot less interesting. An argument can even be made that people who would not have otherwise become engaged in the political process did so thanks to him.



Yep like Hone Harawira and Colin Craig




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MikeB4: And now the endless appeals


The endless waste of tax payers money!

If that was ever a concern our then our government should never have started down this way with the raids in the first place. Really silly for the NZ police and government to get so involved in this USA business.


Are you saying he should have been left alone to carry on his illegal activity?

This activity is not even illegal in NZ. The accusation of copyright violation is not even an extraditable offence. Imho this is a civil/business matter best addressed between the parties.


Isn't there more than just copyright violations that he is being sought for ?

Also the Courts have concluded that there are grounds for extradition


yeah he's also wanted for money laundering and something else I can't remember what offhand but the money laundering charge is an extraditable offence


But to be laundering money it must have been gained illegally... hence it all rests on whether any alleged copyright infringement was illegal in the first place, and whether he was actually hiding the money somehow.

Don't get me wrong, Mr. Schmitz is an a-hole of the first degree and has somewhat brought this on himself.  But from where I'm standing the whole thing is a gross perversion of justice.

 



 

No. Money laundering rules do not require the money to be an ill gotten gain. It is what you do with the money that triggers money laundering charges so the authorities do not have to demonstrate that the money was not legitimate. They do not even have to show that you did the laundering bit for some naughty purpose. They just have to show that there was some transfer of money that bypassed the processes that do not count as laundering. It is an even wider net than tax evasion.

 


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  Reply # 1456739 24-Dec-2015 19:31
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You would have to look at the indictment to see what is alleged in that area. I have not looked it for a while. My understanding is the indictment encompasses normal PayPal subscription transactions. Imo this is just the US justice way of putting a claim on any business proceeds.

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  Reply # 1457038 25-Dec-2015 12:59
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Merry Christmas Kim Dotcom. I hope you have an enjoyable and stress-free family day with your children and are able to forget your troubles for a few hours.
 




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MikeB4:
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MikeB4: And now the endless appeals


The endless waste of tax payers money!

If that was ever a concern our then our government should never have started down this way with the raids in the first place. Really silly for the NZ police and government to get so involved in this USA business.


Are you saying he should have been left alone to carry on his illegal activity?


I'd be saying there is considerable debate about his illegal activity (given the DMCA safe harbour provisions in the US) and I'd be saying that even if he is guilty of copyright offences they aren't extraditable anyway. Not part of the treaty. Irrelevant.  I'd be saying all this has shown is how shonky the NZ government is and how far too many Kiwis let their prejudices and preconceptions get in the way of the facts.

Bear in mind: Dotcom has never visited the US, nor had any businesses there. Anyone uploading illegal content to his servers was doing it on their own. This is exactly why the DMCA Safe Harbour provisions exists: so network service providers aren't guilty of the illegal acts of their users. YouTube, Facebook......everyone....uses this defence every day.

So exactly how the hammer came down on a guy who has no actuall connection with the US at all is a mystery....yet our government tugged it's wee blue forelock and did what the US told it to do. That involved breaking several of its own laws along the way.....not don't worry, no one was ever held to account for any of that.

It stinks to high Heaven, frankly.  I'll never be voting for National again.  They are clearly crooks all on their own.   




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It stinks to high Heaven, frankly.  I'll never be voting for National again.  They are clearly crooks all on their own.   


And you think any other party would be different??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA

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It stinks to high Heaven, frankly.  I'll never be voting for National again.  They are clearly crooks all on their own.   


And you think any other party would be different??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA


I know for a fact several of them are. 

Though National supporters tend to know little about other parties.....and assume they are all alike. It's not a valid assumption. Not even close.

Example: National voters tended to oppose MMP because they felt PR gave parties too much power and that party hacks would ignore voters. 

They were right......about THEIR party. National Party HQ can appoint 5 people to any position on their list without taking a vote of members. That's the "party bosses appointing MPs" that national party supporters didn't like about MMP.....yet their own party does it. Labour and the Greens don't do it. In fact, to be on the Green's party list at all you need to be elected to it by national vote of party members. But the Nats just appoint people to their list...and the other people on the list are all locally selected by local members only. No one else has a say. Ranking on the list is done by......party bosses. That's how Don Brash got into Parliament and was then made leader. 

That's the sort ohypocrisy National is famous for ....and people think is common to all parties.....when it actually isn't at all. 

Example 2: The Dirty Politics political attack machine. No other party operates such a system of paid-to-smear affiliates who - effectively - work for senior Ministers. (If you haven't read Dirty Politics, then don't waste time showin'g you haven't got a clue here).




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