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  Reply # 1468825 12-Jan-2016 23:53
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mattwnz:
E3xtc: No other real option - so yeah (as has been mentioned before), what are ya goanna do :\
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I don't really care too much, I just build the commission into the price, as it is really the buyer who is paying the commission when it sells. It will probably see professional traders putting up their prices a bit.

It is interesting about all these overseas businesses who are now listed on trademe, as you don't really know if they are overseas based or not, and whether you have CGA protection if you buy from them. The trademe website says if the trader is in 'intrade' then you do have CGA protection, but this doesn't look like it would apply to overseas based 'intrade' traders, as I have asked them directly.


Pretty hard to see how you would enforce CGA for something you bought from a dealer in the USA for $100...!

Another thing is that quite a number of the overseas ones are selling big cost items that will almost certainly land you with a GST/Customs Rort Charge etc on arrival. Some of them are pretty vague about that being the reason why their prices are so low!





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  Reply # 1468867 13-Jan-2016 07:19
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Where do all these fees go?  It's not like the trademe site has really changed in any way that makes a difference in the past decade.  Does it support all the other sites no-one is interested in, they have listed at the top of their page?

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1468869 13-Jan-2016 07:25
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Greedy or too many staff. That is really disappointing, fees shouldn't be going up. Cut costs TradeMe rather than making more expensive or you may find your position in the market isn't as unshakable as you think it is.

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  Reply # 1468870 13-Jan-2016 07:31
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jnimmo: Greedy or too many staff. That is really disappointing, fees shouldn't be going up. Cut costs TradeMe rather than making more expensive or you may find your position in the market isn't as unshakable as you think it is.

Many here on the forum are technically experienced, from computer programming to hardware and beyond.  I don't doubt that between us, we could get an auction site going.  The main thing we couldn't handle ourselves, would be the legal side of things.

With the ability for logins to be linked to social media, those who use social media in a reputable way, could get around the initial unknown seller problem.

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  Reply # 1468876 13-Jan-2016 07:48
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jnimmo: Greedy or too many staff. That is really disappointing, fees shouldn't be going up. Cut costs TradeMe rather than making more expensive or you may find your position in the market isn't as unshakable as you think it is.

Many here on the forum are technically experienced, from computer programming to hardware and beyond.  I don't doubt that between us, we could get an auction site going.  The main thing we couldn't handle ourselves, would be the legal side of things.

With the ability for logins to be linked to social media, those who use social media in a reputable way, could get around the initial unknown seller problem.


programming up a basic auction site would be fairly easy (sure TM has many misc features you would miss at first, but a basic functioning site wouldnt take long).  but thats only about 1% of the challenge, the rest is getting people to actually go to it and use it.  without that, an amazing site would be useless.  many people have tried this, all have failed.  some with some pretty deep pockets behind them (wheedle, sella).

I guess we could cater for geekzone crowd at first and slowly expand.  I'm a web developer (C#,asp.net,jquery,angular etc), doing that stuff isnt hard.  its getting the traffic to your site/listings....

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  Reply # 1468879 13-Jan-2016 07:56
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reven: I guess we could cater for geekzone crowd at first and slowly expand.  I'm a web developer (C#,asp.net,jquery,angular etc), doing that stuff isnt hard.  its getting the traffic to your site/listings....

I was thinking the same thing.  Cater for geekzone and linked communities.  I do similar work at the moment, hosted on Azure.

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  Reply # 1468880 13-Jan-2016 08:03
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reven: I guess we could cater for geekzone crowd at first and slowly expand.  I'm a web developer (C#,asp.net,jquery,angular etc), doing that stuff isnt hard.  its getting the traffic to your site/listings....

I was thinking the same thing.  Cater for geekzone and linked communities.  I do similar work at the moment, hosted on Azure.


sure lets do it then, call it tradezone, @freitasm you in :P?

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rmt38:
reven: I guess we could cater for geekzone crowd at first and slowly expand.  I'm a web developer (C#,asp.net,jquery,angular etc), doing that stuff isnt hard.  its getting the traffic to your site/listings....

I was thinking the same thing.  Cater for geekzone and linked communities.  I do similar work at the moment, hosted on Azure.


sure lets do it then, call it tradezone, @freitasm you in :P?



Hmmm you might have a problem with that name - http://www.tradezone.co.nz/




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  Reply # 1468882 13-Jan-2016 08:09
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The simplest thing would be if ebay came to NZ.

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  Reply # 1468890 13-Jan-2016 08:31
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Yep - bring on Ebay NZ.

 

I imagine you will see some serious backpedaling from TM, as they realise they are the overpriced little brother, and will have to price accordingly to stay in the market.

Time to try out one of the oldie but goodie tricks from a lot of Ebay sellers. Low auction price, high shipping cost. Results in low auction fees.

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  Reply # 1468938 13-Jan-2016 09:59
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Had a fresh look at the alternatives after getting the TM Fee increase email.

listselltrade.co.nz
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?topicid=110060
Only business listings as far as I can see.
Not the easiest to navigate/filter listings.
Surprised still running, launched in 2012.


onoffer.co.nz
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=177866
Has potential.
Currently a ghost town. Quietly? launched Aug-2015.


ezyauctionz.co.nz
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=23990
The topic also lists some other sites that have since dropped off.
Has potential. Launched in Sep-2006?
No FB page?
Can not view forum posts without registering.
A very basic interface. Fast though.

For a laugh
te.co.nz -redirects to- sella.co.nz -shows closed message-


postanote.co.nz
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=35&topicid=173608
Has potential. Launched Sep 2013.
Emailed developer with some suggestions and they responded :)


Facebook groups
Don't go there. Really!
In addition to tyre kickers add illiterate/lazy to the mix.
It will bring out the grammar police in you.
1 hundy now bruh? iz it all gud?
The fact it links directly back to your fb profile is a little too close for me.
At least there is a degree of separation with an independent site.


ebay, please come to NZ.
We promise not to helicopter raid your HQ :)


Of the existing alternatives I came across, ezyauctionz would be the one I could get behind.
Hopefully creators still want to support it.
Have submitted a query asking as much.

Custom solution, if one of the existing alternatives do not want to improve their offering then a GZ collaboration would be a winner :)
Maybe some crowdfunding might net some startup capital.

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  Reply # 1468955 13-Jan-2016 10:14
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Of the existing alternatives I came across, ezyauctionz would be the one I could get behind.
Hopefully creators still want to support it.
Have submitted a query asking as much.

Custom solution, if one of the existing alternatives do not want to improve their offering then a GZ collaboration would be a winner :)
Maybe some crowdfunding might net some startup capital.

Yes, ezyauctionz does look like the most appealing visually.  Where do they make their money?  As far as I could tell from their "what makes us special page" they don't charge for anything. I also found it very unreliable.  When I load pages for items, it took two minutes for one page to load, and another was still loading five minutes later.  I hit enter again in the address bar, and it loaded right away.

Another alternative I see is some insert in the local free papers.  I can't remember the name of it, but they show pictures of items and numbers to look up on their website.

I had a quick google for open source auction site solutions, and any I found were pretty unappealing.

While I am not an advocate of open source, I think if the goal is to avoid being in this situation again in the future, the ideal might be an open source code base.  If an appealing enough set of functionality was made, maybe we'd encourage other parties who would be more proactive in marketing for users.

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  Reply # 1468958 13-Jan-2016 10:17
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Another alternative I see is some insert in the local free papers.  I can't remember the name of it, but they show pictures of items and numbers to look up on their website.


https://postanote.co.nz/

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  Reply # 1468966 13-Jan-2016 10:26
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postanote
remembered them after making my post, have updated my original post.

An altruistic open/source auction site would be ideal but it has to make money somehow.
Look at wikipedia.
A nominal fee for any business listings would be the way.



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  Reply # 1469036 13-Jan-2016 12:48
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tripp: It really does seem that TM would rather have a lot of low price goods on their site rather than the higher $ goods (over the 200 mark).

I don't really understand their thinking on this with sites like aliexpress etc.
The only time i ever buy cheap stuff is if i need it in a day or 3 and can't wait for it from aliexpress (i.e. cheap phone covers/screen protectors).




Kind of makes me wonder if they may suffer same fate as when motorcycle registration went up massively years ago. The licencing cost went up massively, and the result was a lower take of licencing fees. As people like me who before had 3 bikes and "regoed" them all even though we can only ride 1 at a time, would then choose a main rider, put the other 2 on hold, and either take the chances a few times a year of riding them with reg on hold or otherwise just reg for a month or 3 then on hold the rest of the year.

If Trademe want to charge me $60 in fees just to sell my lawnmower, then it makes me scheme of other ways to sell there to avoid the fees, where if they were lower there would be no hesitation to pay. They just have a licence to print obscene amounts of money.

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