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  Reply # 1469078 13-Jan-2016 13:40
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It is a monopoly. On top of this, none of the items are guaranteed. This 'buyer beware' policy fits with free classified sites like Craigslist, Gumtree, and here in New Zealand, Postanote.co.nz (which let me go ahead and say I am one of the founders and current GM). So they are a part of every transaction, and then when it goes wrong, they are not part of any transaction. This is an example of where the laws have not caught up yet, you can't be both. 

There have been people who have tried to dethrone the king, but in my opinion that is fighting fire with fire, and their fire is way bigger. Step back and ask yourself what they actually do. They don't handle money or guarantee goods, so in essence they merely put person A in touch with person B and then the user is sending money to an unseen person for unseen goods in good faith (which I would never do by the way). And you need a billion dollar company to do that? Keep in mind this is a billion dollar company servicing a country with 4.5 million people, something is wrong with that picture. 

There are a lot of smart people on this forum who can easily crunch some numbers to prove that a free classified site is feasible in NZ. You are then putting person A in touch with person B for free. The inventory is sorted, your items can be stored, edited, deleted, you can set alerts, etc. Now the programming will not be the same as an entrenched billion dollar monopoly, but it will get there with enough users. And, simple is nice sometimes. And for what it's worth, we are now here to stay.  

However, with a free model, you do not have a $100 million dollar marketing budget to buy tv commercials and blanket the planet with ads, we have to rely on our users and word of mouth, which thus far has done us well. I'm also hesitate to write in forums like this, as I want to respect the users, and I do not want to be seen as overly promoting ourselves, so sorry for that ahead of time. 





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  Reply # 1469082 13-Jan-2016 13:56
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jnimmo: Greedy or too many staff. That is really disappointing, fees shouldn't be going up. Cut costs TradeMe rather than making more expensive or you may find your position in the market isn't as unshakable as you think it is.

Many here on the forum are technically experienced, from computer programming to hardware and beyond.  I don't doubt that between us, we could get an auction site going.  The main thing we couldn't handle ourselves, would be the legal side of things.

With the ability for logins to be linked to social media, those who use social media in a reputable way, could get around the initial unknown seller problem.


there are lawyers and doctors on here too. 

That sorts out the health plan and legal issues ha ha.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1469085 13-Jan-2016 14:10
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You could build a brilliant auction site (which we have access to by the way) but unless you have a 10 year runway and millions of dollars of promotion it would be a tough slog to try and compete heads up. That's why we are trying to flank the issue with a free classified site (which is what TME was at first). If our traffic at Post a Note continues to grow at this rate, and people wanted auction, we'd be happy to give it to them (although we will never charge to buy/sell at Post a Note), but auction might not be necessary either. 

But people are starting to realise that the bulk of that machine/complications are made to take your money. Things can be way simpler and way cheaper. Even the free model works, which we've been able to prove. 

The big hurdle for us has been convincing people to A) try something new B) that we are actually free. People have no issue with Facebook, Gumtree, or Google being 'free', but It's taken us 2.5-3 years to get over that hump. 

We need smart, informed people on our side. And if those people are on this forum, shout us up when we are in your town and we will buy the beers, and help you sell whatever you want us to (as long as it's legal:). 

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  Reply # 1469087 13-Jan-2016 14:18
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MikeB4: I have all but stopped using Trademe. I have not purchased anything for a long time and I either give things away to family or take them to the Salvation Army.


Same here, I list the odd car there otherwise i dont list anything.
Facebook groups give fast replies and easy communication.

When i list a car i just pay for the standard listing and when it sells i dont say i sold it i just withdraw. No fees :)

I had an account with them that had a success fee on a car i sold in auction of a lot.
Easier to make a new account... So i did.




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  Reply # 1469116 13-Jan-2016 15:18
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Wow this is going to change things. I'm just going to find other ways to offload stuff

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  Reply # 1469117 13-Jan-2016 15:18
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surfisup1000: Wheres wheedle?


Is it now called geekzone?

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  Reply # 1469119 13-Jan-2016 15:23
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  Reply # 1470115 13-Jan-2016 15:29
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The only way Trademe gets a kicking is the unlikely arrival of Ebay in NZ.





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  Reply # 1470122 13-Jan-2016 15:37
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Geektastic: The only way Trademe gets a kicking is the unlikely arrival of Ebay in NZ.


If Ebay came over here and had implemented a system to order from AUS, USA and UK effectively like youshop it would smash trademe over night.

national listings trademe has that fairly well covered and keeps the layout simple.
Ebay isnt as simple i find.




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  Reply # 1470314 13-Jan-2016 19:56
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I was going to mention eBay earlier but the usability is so bad, so ugly and complicated

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  Reply # 1470326 13-Jan-2016 20:16
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The difficulty is not in the programming, ebay technically is already in NZ and our company already has the auction functionality ready to roll out as well, as did Wheedle (not that we are ever planning on rolling it out). The problem is the reluctance to change and the amount of money it will take to overcome that is sizeable.

This is why we decided to go a different route into free classifieds with Post a Note. These other auction sites around the world also handle money and guarantee goods (illegal not to), which in my opinion is what makes them an 'auction' site. If you're not guaranteeing goods you are a 'buyer beware' site, like Post a Note and other free classifieds sites. But somehow they get to have their cake and eat it to. 



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  Reply # 1470327 13-Jan-2016 20:23
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TimA:
Geektastic: The only way Trademe gets a kicking is the unlikely arrival of Ebay in NZ.


If Ebay came over here and had implemented a system to order from AUS, USA and UK effectively like youshop it would smash trademe over night.

national listings trademe has that fairly well covered and keeps the layout simple.
Ebay isnt as simple i find.


It will be the Netflix effect, similar to where skytv are not being negatively effected by these new streaming services. Trade me are vulnerable to an eBay coming in, because eBay are such a big global player. But I don't think any local company had any chance simply because trade me has a15 year advantage in building up their customer base and identify

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  Reply # 1470396 13-Jan-2016 21:39
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Until recently trademe had a.vastly superior UI to eBay. Now it is just plain old superior. But still with the recent cbanges I'm concerned it is winding up for few shark jumps in future.

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  Reply # 1470405 13-Jan-2016 21:52
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gzt: Until recently trademe had a.vastly superior UI to eBay. Now it is just plain old superior. But still with the recent cbanges I'm concerned it is winding up for few shark jumps in future.


I'm told that TM will be introducing on site buyer/seller messaging soon in order to help with dispute resolution (i.e. so they can see which party is being a dick which they can't if it is private email).

I think their worst aspect is their unwillingness to guarantee anything (i.e. no Buyer Protection or Seller Protection like Ebay) - they just want heaps of cash and to do as little as they possibly can.





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  Reply # 1470425 13-Jan-2016 22:03
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Trader history/feedback is another reason why trademe will be difficult to topple. 

I have a good trading history, why would I want to lose 10 years of trading history to jump ship to a new trading platform?

In my view, auction websites should be regulated in that people should own their trading histories and be able to move them between sites. Kind of like number portability . 

It is just clarifying who owns the right to ones reputation. 





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