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  #2920305 30-May-2022 10:13
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Still has several "equipoise" lamps amongst others listed!

 

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/search?member_listing=2008379&bof=xNpsJuM4

 

Wonder if any are legal?

 

Filed a complaint which will probably go nowhere with TM!


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  #2920306 30-May-2022 10:15
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neb:
msukiwi:

 

Is it rated for 240V?!

 



Given the US plug on it I'd say "probably not". Ouch!

 

It could be. I would imagine it is cheaper to keep everything the same for all markets where possible so switch and wiring may be 240v, just the plug is different. 

 

 





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  #2920327 30-May-2022 11:46
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msukiwi:

 

Still has several "equipoise" lamps amongst others listed!

 

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/search?member_listing=2008379&bof=xNpsJuM4

 

Wonder if any are legal?

 

Filed a complaint which will probably go nowhere with TM!

 

 

file it with worksafe against trademe.




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  #2920335 30-May-2022 12:15
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msukiwi:

 

That TradeMe still allows Sellers to sell Illegal (Possibly Electrically Unsafe) items!

 

 

 

 

On a related note, people selling toys with button batteries in compartments which are easily opened or broken. They're a significant hazard for young children, most people don't think about it, my wife thinks I'm paranoid but I've read too many stories of children seriously injured or dead because of it.

 

 

 

I just had to confiscate a light-up headband from my daughter (age 3) with button batteries in a flimsy plastic housing which I can be flicked open with a finger (her younger brother is at the stage of putting EVERYTHING in his mouth). Trying to work out where it came from, it seems to be a gift from one of my wife's friends who bought it online, I have no way of tracing the seller.

 

 

 

It just annoys me that people are so blasé about risks like this... yes there's a small chance of it happening, but we wear seatbelts every time we get in the car even though there's only a small chance of us crashing.


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  #2920353 30-May-2022 13:02
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You're definitely not paranoid. Better safe than very sorry.


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  #2920360 30-May-2022 13:24
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msukiwi:

Still has several "equipoise" lamps amongst others listed!


https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/search?member_listing=2008379&bof=xNpsJuM4


Wonder if any are legal?


Filed a complaint which will probably go nowhere with TM!



There should be no problem getting TM to pull the listing. TM already bans listings with foreign plugs.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/c/trust-safety/news/-foreign-plugs-cannot-be-listed-on-trade-me

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  #2920373 30-May-2022 13:43
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Bung:There should be no problem getting TM to pull the listing. TM already bans listings with foreign plugs.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/c/trust-safety/news/-foreign-plugs-cannot-be-listed-on-trade-me

 

Still NO reply from anyone, and the listings are still active!

 

 




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  #2920374 30-May-2022 13:44
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Rikkitic: It could be. I would imagine it is cheaper to keep everything the same for all markets where possible so switch and wiring may be 240v, just the plug is different. 

 

Pretty sure that US plug is for 120V applications. Their 240V appliances use a different plug (you really wouldn't want to inadvertently plug a 120V appliance into a 240V socket, or vice-versa really). Therefore theres a chance the entire cable is only rated at 120V.





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  #2920377 30-May-2022 13:49
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Bung:
msukiwi:

 

Still has several "equipoise" lamps amongst others listed!

 

 

 

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/search?member_listing=2008379&bof=xNpsJuM4

 

 

 

Wonder if any are legal?

 

 

 

Filed a complaint which will probably go nowhere with TM!

 



There should be no problem getting TM to pull the listing. TM already bans listings with foreign plugs.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/c/trust-safety/news/-foreign-plugs-cannot-be-listed-on-trade-me

 

they dont appear to try very hard at stopping them, rather rely on users to police it for them


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  #2920378 30-May-2022 13:51
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msukiwi:

Bung:There should be no problem getting TM to pull the listing. TM already bans listings with foreign plugs.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/c/trust-safety/news/-foreign-plugs-cannot-be-listed-on-trade-me


Still NO reply from anyone, and the listings are still active!


 



Did you use the "report this listing" at foot of listing or try emailing?

  #2920380 30-May-2022 13:55
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Stu:

 

Rikkitic: It could be. I would imagine it is cheaper to keep everything the same for all markets where possible so switch and wiring may be 240v, just the plug is different. 

 

Pretty sure that US plug is for 120V applications. Their 240V appliances use a different plug (you really wouldn't want to inadvertently plug a 120V appliance into a 240V socket, or vice-versa really). Therefore theres a chance the entire cable is only rated at 120V.

 

 

missed his meaning. The entire device might be designed for 240v, its just a simple lamp after all, and the only thing that's different for different markets is the plug on the end of the cable.

 

 

 

Doesnt apply when things have motors or heating coils etc in them


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  #2920387 30-May-2022 14:20
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New annoyance: Constant frequent updates and constant repeat reminders if it is not immediately installed. Why can't non-critical updates be accumulated and pushed out at decent intervals and an update button placed on the app after the first reminder?

 

  





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  #2920392 30-May-2022 14:28
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Jase2985:

 

missed his meaning. The entire device might be designed for 240v, its just a simple lamp after all, and the only thing that's different for different markets is the plug on the end of the cable.

 

 

 

Doesnt apply when things have motors or heating coils etc in them

 

 

I would add that any light the fitting can take (normally 60 watt maximum) would draw at most a half-amp at 120 volts, meaning no more than a quarter-amp at 240 volts. Any wiring that could not safely carry those currents would have to be abnormally thin. Any regular wiring used in such a lamp would have more than adequate safety margin. Granted the switch might only be rated at 120 volts, though this is unlikely, but at such a low load it probably wouldn't be an issue anyway.

 

 





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  #2920449 30-May-2022 15:50
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neb:
msukiwi:

 

Is it rated for 240V?!

 



Given the US plug on it I'd say "probably not". Ouch!

 

Commonly used thruout asia on non earthed appliances so there is a good chance its fine. There is also a good chance it has 0.00001mm mains cable with powdery insulation you can push your fingernail thru straight to the conductors and no secondary insulation inside the metal parts - thats why SDOCs are a thing and failure to provide one is a problem.





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  #2920453 30-May-2022 15:53
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Rikkitic:

 

I would add that any light the fitting can take (normally 60 watt maximum) would draw at most a half-amp at 120 volts, meaning no more than a quarter-amp at 240 volts. Any wiring that could not safely carry those currents would have to be abnormally thin. Any regular wiring used in such a lamp would have more than adequate safety margin. Granted the switch might only be rated at 120 volts, though this is unlikely, but at such a low load it probably wouldn't be an issue anyway.

 

 

There is a thing with earth loop impedance which makes thin cables dangerous if there is a short in the fitting. I have some aliexpress xmas lights that have wire so thin that it would be thinner than a piece of 20A fuse wire. So guess which will blow if there's a short?

 

I know it used to be 0.75mm cable minimum on appliances but have seen some legit things with 0.5mm on them so it may have changed. Thats up to the fuse inside the appliance if it has one. After that its different regs that cover it.

 

Switch rating also covers the proximity of the contacts to the holes in them and therefore your hand when operating it among other things. Anything made for the US market is generally quite scary from a safety perspective but as its already UL approved noone will change the designs of their terrible electrical gear.





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