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  Reply # 1655465 21-Oct-2016 07:06
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Rikkitic:

I live in a hilly farming community. Nearly all quad deaths are caused by rollovers. A roll bar cage would be the most effective solution for this. Instead, OSH has an obsession with making farmers wear helmets, which have no effect whatsoever.


 



Ask a neurosurgeon if head protection saves lives. OSH is the to save lives not annoy.




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  Reply # 1655466 21-Oct-2016 07:19
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Geektastic:

 

I bought a Soda Stream last Xmas.

 

I drink sparkling water rather than alcohol or pop and get through a litre a day or so usually.

 

The SS has saved me approximately 350 plastic bottles going to landfill and $2.50/bottle less whatever the CO2 cost per bottle is - around 50 cents or so I think.

 

 

If you drank SS instead of champagne, you could save hundreds of dollars per bottle!

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1655469 21-Oct-2016 07:34
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Geektastic:

jamesrt:


OK, the off-topic component of this thread made me decide to micro-rant:


The price of soft-drinks:


1.5l = $2.99; $0.20/100ml


2.25l = $3.99; $0.18/100ml


600ml = $4.00; $0.67/100ml - WTF???  Talk about price-gouge. 


Mind you, I guess it forces me to be healthy and drink less of the stuff, because damned if I'm paying the inflated price, and I refuse to buy a 1.5l or 2.25l bottle just because I'm feeling a little thirsty...



 


I bought a Soda Stream last Xmas.


I drink sparkling water rather than alcohol or pop and get through a litre a day or so usually.


The SS has saved me approximately 350 plastic bottles going to landfill and $2.50/bottle less whatever the CO2 cost per bottle is - around 50 cents or so I think.


I tried some of the flavourings (I usually avoid them due to the vast sugar content though) and there are some lemonade ones that are really nice. The cola ones are fine too.


Not saying it works for everyone but man you can save some money doing it that way if the flavours suit.



Not good health wise.




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  Reply # 1655470 21-Oct-2016 07:35
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Geektastic:

Rikkitic:


I live in a hilly farming community. Nearly all quad deaths are caused by rollovers. A roll bar cage would be the most effective solution for this. Instead, OSH has an obsession with making farmers wear helmets, which have no effect whatsoever.


 



 


Ditto. Like hard hats on  sites where there is no overhead work and nothing happening - do they think the sky will fall on people?! And if it does, what use will a hard hat be? They have no straps, so they will get knocked off...


Also cycle helmets. Head injuries are not actually that common in cycle crashes. Here in Martinborough people tootle gently between the vineyards on bikes all summer long. Where a Panama or straw Boater would be more appropriate apropos the sun etc, they must look like eejits in racing bike helmets that they really do not need as the roads are virtually empty.


Fair enough if you're racing a mountain bike, or commuting in mental traffic, but here in the vines, not so much.


I see a lot of farmers round these parts replacing quads with those ATV things that look like quads with a roof. Much safer I am sure.



Cycle helmets save lives.




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  Reply # 1655489 21-Oct-2016 08:54
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Cycle helmets save lives.

 

But have overall had a negative impact on public health, hence scientific analysis of NZ's experience being used internationally to argue against making cycle helmets compulsory.

 

It greatly annoys me that anecdotes will always be used to argue the opposite ("if I hadn't been wearing a helmet then my *surgeon says I would have died" etc) and some weird assumption that if helmets were made optional, then everybody would stop wearing them.  (You'd be a moron IMO to not wear a helmet on your weekend lycra road race, dodgem rush-hour commute, or mountain bike adventure).

 

* you won't get endocrinologists, cardiovascular surgeons etc saying "you wouldn't be here with a dire chronic medical condition if compulsory helmet laws hadn't discouraged you from riding a bike to work/shops/school" - but statistically that's exactly what's happened on an overall population basis.

 

I'm not making this up - doctors and medical researchers have been saying this for decades now.  If anything, recent research on the role of physical exercise in moderating inflammation, and the role of inflammation in not just chronic physical disease, but mental health, perhaps even alzheimers etc, strengthens the case against compulsory helmet laws.

 

 


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  Reply # 1655495 21-Oct-2016 09:15
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Could not agree more. After Holland, which does quite well without the helmet nonsense, I haven't been on a bike at all. I will not wear one of those things just to tool around our quiet country roads. There are so many things that can kill you. I don't want a nanny state managing my risk assessment for me. Children are another matter, but adults should be treated as such and allowed to make their own choices.





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  Reply # 1655507 21-Oct-2016 09:46
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I'm a cyclist. My parents made me wear a helmet to school before they were compulsory. I hated helmets. After landing on my head on concrete, I changed my mind.

The only idiots I see cycling are the ones without helmets.

There is no social stigma against helmet wearing, except in a fringe group of vocalists, some of whom post on this forum.

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  Reply # 1655519 21-Oct-2016 09:51
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Geektastic:

 

I bought a Soda Stream last Xmas.

 

I drink sparkling water rather than alcohol or pop and get through a litre a day or so usually.

 

 

Those taps that produce instant boiling and chilled water, are now available with a chilled sparkling water option.  No idea what they cost, I just saw one somewhere in my travels.





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  Reply # 1655531 21-Oct-2016 10:07
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Geektastic:

 

jamesrt:

 

OK, the off-topic component of this thread made me decide to micro-rant:

 

The price of soft-drinks:

 

1.5l = $2.99; $0.20/100ml

 

2.25l = $3.99; $0.18/100ml

 

600ml = $4.00; $0.67/100ml - WTF???  Talk about price-gouge. 

 

Mind you, I guess it forces me to be healthy and drink less of the stuff, because damned if I'm paying the inflated price, and I refuse to buy a 1.5l or 2.25l bottle just because I'm feeling a little thirsty...

 

 

 

 

I bought a Soda Stream last Xmas.

 

I drink sparkling water rather than alcohol or pop and get through a litre a day or so usually.

 

The SS has saved me approximately 350 plastic bottles going to landfill and $2.50/bottle less whatever the CO2 cost per bottle is - around 50 cents or so I think.

 

I tried some of the flavourings (I usually avoid them due to the vast sugar content though) and there are some lemonade ones that are really nice. The cola ones are fine too.

 

Not saying it works for everyone but man you can save some money doing it that way if the flavours suit.

 

 

I have used concentrated cordial flavourings like Quench as an alternative to the overpriced SS products.





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  Reply # 1655541 21-Oct-2016 10:14
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I can recall the Wellington anti Helmet activist who refused to wear them despite numerous convictions. He died as a result of severe head injury in a cycling accident. 





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  Reply # 1655542 21-Oct-2016 10:16
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Fred99:

 

MikeB4: 

 


Cycle helmets save lives.

 

But have overall had a negative impact on public health, hence scientific analysis of NZ's experience being used internationally to argue against making cycle helmets compulsory.

 

It greatly annoys me that anecdotes will always be used to argue the opposite ("if I hadn't been wearing a helmet then my *surgeon says I would have died" etc) and some weird assumption that if helmets were made optional, then everybody would stop wearing them.  (You'd be a moron IMO to not wear a helmet on your weekend lycra road race, dodgem rush-hour commute, or mountain bike adventure).

 

* you won't get endocrinologists, cardiovascular surgeons etc saying "you wouldn't be here with a dire chronic medical condition if compulsory helmet laws hadn't discouraged you from riding a bike to work/shops/school" - but statistically that's exactly what's happened on an overall population basis.

 

I'm not making this up - doctors and medical researchers have been saying this for decades now.  If anything, recent research on the role of physical exercise in moderating inflammation, and the role of inflammation in not just chronic physical disease, but mental health, perhaps even alzheimers etc, strengthens the case against compulsory helmet laws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How in the name of granny's front garden does wearing a protective helmet prevent you from exercising?????????





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  Reply # 1655544 21-Oct-2016 10:21
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1eStar: I'm a cyclist. My parents made me wear a helmet to school before they were compulsory. I hated helmets. After landing on my head on concrete, I changed my mind.

The only idiots I see cycling are the ones without helmets.

There is no social stigma against helmet wearing, except in a fringe group of vocalists, some of whom post on this forum.

 

Your first sentence is an anecdote.  I'm not saying it isn't true and valid (especially to you of course), but it's statistically meaningless.

 

Your second sentence truly makes no sense at all.  I see plenty of helmet-wearing idiots cycling, but it's very rare that I've seen anybody on the road on a cycle without a helmet.  I suppose they're "idiots" for breaking a law for which they could get a fine.  If they're idiots, in your opinion, for not wearing helmets for other reasons, then I guess the thousands/ millions of people in Holland, Denmark etc, who cycle to work or go to the shops or to visit friends, most of whom don't wear helmets - they must all be idiots.  It's far more sensible to jump in your car and drive, and when driving, it's also safer if you wear a helmet and multi-point harness, as many deaths in car accidents are from head injuries.

 

I have no idea what you're trying to say WRT "social stigma" in your last sentence.


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  Reply # 1655545 21-Oct-2016 10:24
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MikeB4:

 

Fred99:

 

MikeB4: 

 


Cycle helmets save lives.

 

But have overall had a negative impact on public health, hence scientific analysis of NZ's experience being used internationally to argue against making cycle helmets compulsory.

 

It greatly annoys me that anecdotes will always be used to argue the opposite ("if I hadn't been wearing a helmet then my *surgeon says I would have died" etc) and some weird assumption that if helmets were made optional, then everybody would stop wearing them.  (You'd be a moron IMO to not wear a helmet on your weekend lycra road race, dodgem rush-hour commute, or mountain bike adventure).

 

* you won't get endocrinologists, cardiovascular surgeons etc saying "you wouldn't be here with a dire chronic medical condition if compulsory helmet laws hadn't discouraged you from riding a bike to work/shops/school" - but statistically that's exactly what's happened on an overall population basis.

 

I'm not making this up - doctors and medical researchers have been saying this for decades now.  If anything, recent research on the role of physical exercise in moderating inflammation, and the role of inflammation in not just chronic physical disease, but mental health, perhaps even alzheimers etc, strengthens the case against compulsory helmet laws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

How in the name of granny's front garden does wearing a protective helmet prevent you from exercising?????????

 

 

How in the name of granny's front garden could you ask that question - when I never said it would prevent you ... ?

 

 

 

 


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Fred99: 

 

 

 

How in the name of granny's front garden could you ask that question - when I never said it would prevent you ... ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"If anything, recent research on the role of physical exercise in moderating inflammation, and the role of inflammation in not just chronic physical disease, but mental health, perhaps even alzheimers etc, strengthens the case against compulsory helmet laws."

 

 





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  Reply # 1655559 21-Oct-2016 10:56
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People don't like helmets for variety of reasons - comfort, convenience, cost, aesthetics vanity. 

 

75% of cycle commuters in NZ are male (StatsNZ).  While running kids around explains some of this, some people believe helmets deter women who would otherwise cycle to work.

 

My observation of European cities where helmets do not seem compulsory is that you see a lot more women cycling and few if any of them wear helmets. yet you do see women on mopeds wearing helmets.

 

 





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