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  Reply # 1673374 18-Nov-2016 09:37
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Driving over the river outside Martinborough today, it was full to bursting.

 

Millions upon millions of litres of water per hour, all of which will be in the sea very shortly after I saw it.

 

And yet...3 months from now, some fwit will be telling us that the Wairarapa is in drought and all unnecessary water use is banned.

 

Has nobody ever heard of storage reservoirs?!

 

 

Somebody heard of it where I live and the result of it has been an ongoing drain on the ratepayers while both sides fight it out. So far nearly $20 million has been spent and not one spadeful of earth has been turned. The whole process has been mired in obfuscation and backroom deals. At the last election the Regional Council that produced this mess has been turned inside-out and we now have a majority against the dam who are stuck with the secret agreements the previous council made, some of which still haven't been uncovered. If you want a dam, build the bloody thing yourself.

 

 





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  Reply # 1673385 18-Nov-2016 09:43
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Rikkitic:

 

If you want a dam, build the bloody thing yourself. 

 

 

Don't be silly: proponents of large capital projects like that damn dam always want to put their hands into rate or taxpayers' pockets.


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  Reply # 1673435 18-Nov-2016 10:53
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Rikkitic:

 

Geektastic:

 

Driving over the river outside Martinborough today, it was full to bursting.

 

Millions upon millions of litres of water per hour, all of which will be in the sea very shortly after I saw it.

 

And yet...3 months from now, some fwit will be telling us that the Wairarapa is in drought and all unnecessary water use is banned.

 

Has nobody ever heard of storage reservoirs?!

 

 

Somebody heard of it where I live and the result of it has been an ongoing drain on the ratepayers while both sides fight it out. So far nearly $20 million has been spent and not one spadeful of earth has been turned. The whole process has been mired in obfuscation and backroom deals. At the last election the Regional Council that produced this mess has been turned inside-out and we now have a majority against the dam who are stuck with the secret agreements the previous council made, some of which still haven't been uncovered. If you want a dam, build the bloody thing yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Possibly the most ridiculous response ever.

 

 

 

Water is (or should be) a national resource, capable of being shared across the country. There is no reason why we should have droughts in most years.

 

 

 

Just because you can cite one example of bad practice does not render the concept of storing water to avoid drought hitting one of the nation's largest industries (agriculture) or to provide drinking water for the population as a bad idea.






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  Reply # 1673438 18-Nov-2016 10:54
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"Federated Farmers spokeswoman Katie Milne said no one had yet checked on the marooned cattle this morning but it was possible they were no longer standing on the grassy clump."

 

 

 

What is this - Schrodinger's Cow?






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  Reply # 1673448 18-Nov-2016 10:55
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DarthKermit:

 

Rikkitic:

 

If you want a dam, build the bloody thing yourself. 

 

 

Don't be silly: proponents of large capital projects like that damn dam always want to put their hands into rate or taxpayers' pockets.

 

 


Which is where the construction of national resources belongs, surely.

 

Here's an example, created by an Act Of Parliament of its own.






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  Reply # 1673506 18-Nov-2016 11:42
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

Possibly the most ridiculous response ever.

 

 

 

 

I have not researched this so cannot speak with certitude, but I have seen some things in passing. My understanding is that water storage on South Island has been successful because it was sponsored and paid for by local farmers, not imposed on a doubtful populace from on high. Also, I have read that big dams are actually now seen as a bad idea in many cases and many are being decommissioned overseas. Finally, the specifics in the particular case I am citing have been shown (according to some) to not add up, and the dam project as pushed by a handful of landowners and local vested interests is a badly thought-out pork barrel attempt by some to live it up from public money. The composition of the Regional Council changed in the election because so many voters did not want to have to pay through the nose for a public works white elephant project that would benefit a handful of local farmers at the expense of everyone else, do serious damage to the environment, and probably never break even, let alone provide a return on investment.

 

 





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  Reply # 1673526 18-Nov-2016 12:06
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Dams bring their own issues. changes to water flow have consequences down stream. Dams can be a big risk especially in a seismically active country. They are also very expensive to build. We have only 4.5 million souls there is only so much we can do.  Of course we

 

could raise taxes considerably and build dams, motorways, quake proof cities, more schools, more hospitals..........

 

Saying we shouldn't have droughts is like saying we shouldn't have floods, snow storms, cyclones.





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  Reply # 1673531 18-Nov-2016 12:14
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Dams bring their own issues. changes to water flow have consequences down stream. Dams can be a big risk especially in a seismically active country. They are also very expensive to build. We have only 4.5 million souls there is only so much we can do.  Of course we

 

could raise taxes considerably and build dams, motorways, quake proof cities, more schools, more hospitals..........

 

Saying we shouldn't have droughts is like saying we shouldn't have floods, snow storms, cyclones.

 

 

 

 

I'm saying we can alleviate them by storing water that presently just gets wasted not eradicate them.

 

Dams can be a big risk - but we have some down south. 

 

We could do a lot with one - fish farming, fishing, sailing, windsurfing, water skiing, power generation, irrigation, drinking water supply (just seen what happens if you leave that to councils...) etc etc.

 

Half the problems we get with large projects are down to this curious desire to consult rather than direct from the top. Too much talking, not enough strategic planning and doing.

 

 






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  Reply # 1673543 18-Nov-2016 12:24
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  Reply # 1673544 18-Nov-2016 12:25
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Geektastic:

 

MikeB4:

 

Dams bring their own issues. changes to water flow have consequences down stream. Dams can be a big risk especially in a seismically active country. They are also very expensive to build. We have only 4.5 million souls there is only so much we can do.  Of course we

 

could raise taxes considerably and build dams, motorways, quake proof cities, more schools, more hospitals..........

 

Saying we shouldn't have droughts is like saying we shouldn't have floods, snow storms, cyclones.

 

 

 

 

I'm saying we can alleviate them by storing water that presently just gets wasted not eradicate them.

 

Dams can be a big risk - but we have some down south. 

 

We could do a lot with one - fish farming, fishing, sailing, windsurfing, water skiing, power generation, irrigation, drinking water supply (just seen what happens if you leave that to councils...) etc etc.

 

Half the problems we get with large projects are down to this curious desire to consult rather than direct from the top. Too much talking, not enough strategic planning and doing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Damming the Ruamahanga River on a plain like the Wairarapa would have huge implications. The lake formed would be very wide. And given the proximity of active faults, one resulted in an 8.5 quake  not that long ago, it is something that will never happen.

 

Individuals should do more storage themselves collecting rain water over the wet winter.





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  Reply # 1673552 18-Nov-2016 12:39
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That is the alternative proposed here. On-farm storage instead of a humongous dam. Of course then the farmers would have to pay for it themselves.

 

 





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  Reply # 1673556 18-Nov-2016 12:53
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You want a deep, steep-walled valley to fill with water, otherwise you wind up reducing productivity, because you're flooding potentially productive land. Only place for that in the Wairarapa is the headwaters. But they're in the Tararuas, where the rock isn't solid. So anchoring the ends of the dam would be difficult (i.e. expensive).

 

Secondly, there's a reason why rivers run brown when in flood... they're carrying silt. Lots of it. You build a dam and fairly quickly it fills with silt, and the storage capacity diminishes to near-zero. What do you expect the lifetime of your dam to be?

 

As a non-Wairarapper, I object to public funds being used to construct a dam solely for your benefit, especially since *I* am sensible enough to live in a (usually) copiously-watered area.

 

Given that the climate is changing, you can expect that your droughts will become more frequent, and worse. Perhaps it's time to think of a more appropriate land use?

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1674274 19-Nov-2016 18:40
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When without looking closely I pick up the Samsung TV remote, which is near-symmetrical end-for-end, think I'm adjusting the volume - but the remote is round the wrong way and I'm pushing the channel button - which on our set-up changes the source. First-world problems - grrr.


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The price of timber in this country.





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  Reply # 1674337 19-Nov-2016 22:10
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The suction cup on my Garmin which attaches it to the windscreen. Always lets go if I leave the car in the sun, sometimes when I am driving, when it turns on the right indicator as it goes...





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