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  #3266839 1-Aug-2024 09:59
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freitasm

 

Not exactly the same, but my daughter's been experimenting with the AA test app. This question is tricky:

 

 

The correct answer is "Yes" because the light is green for the red car. But you can barely see it on this enlarged screenshot, and you can't see it at all on the phone screen.

 

 

 

 

My Dad was colour blind and the only way he could tell was the position of the light that was on, and that is what I saw, there was a bright spot at the bottom, but I only looked because of the "fail" otherwise I would have missed it too.


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  #3266976 1-Aug-2024 12:48
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sir1963:

 

freitasm

 

Not exactly the same, but my daughter's been experimenting with the AA test app. This question is tricky:

 

 

The correct answer is "Yes" because the light is green for the red car. But you can barely see it on this enlarged screenshot, and you can't see it at all on the phone screen.

 

 

 

 

My Dad was colour blind and the only way he could tell was the position of the light that was on, and that is what I saw, there was a bright spot at the bottom, but I only looked because of the "fail" otherwise I would have missed it too.

 

 

 

 

IMO these top down diagrams for tests are absurd, as you dont drive the car from a third person view, they should be illustrated from in the car that you are deciding if it has to give way or not.





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  #3267037 1-Aug-2024 13:05
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sir1963: My Dad was colour blind and the only way he could tell was the position of the light that was on, and that is what I saw, there was a bright spot at the bottom,

 

This is exactly why traffic lights in all countries are set up in the order they are, so that if you can't see one of more of the colours you can check whether the top or bottom one is lit.


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  #3267043 1-Aug-2024 13:16
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neb:

 

This is exactly why traffic lights in all countries are set up in the order they are, so that if you can't see one of more of the colours you can check whether the top or bottom one is lit.

 

 

Except in Japan... because of course Japan has to do things differently.





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  #3267044 1-Aug-2024 13:19
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Handsomedan:

 

The terrible driving test experience and system. 

 

My son has just failed his practical driving test for the third time - all three were on a technicality, largely out of his control. 

 

THis time around, he was told that he's an excellent driver but he failed because in rush hour traffic he waited for a gap to cross two lanes and turn right, when apparently, he should have crossed the two lanes and sat in the flush median to await a gap. The tester told him to do this, so as he "instructed" the driver, it's an instant fail. And it was at the end of the test, too, so he'd driven perfectly for an hour. 

 

Now his next available booking is late October. 

 

It's now been a year since he took his first test. What a great experience/system. His driving isn't going to get any better if he's not on the road. He's a far better driover than most of the clowns I see out there. 

 

Poor kid is devastated. 

 

 

What a Bullsh**t system.

 

The Testing Guide for the examiner is way too prescriptive, or, the examiner is being far too pedantic. You son was doing nothing wrong or unsafe. The examiner should have kept his mouth shut during the test. I think if I was in your situation I might have given him a piece of my mind. He's a d**khead.

 

Anyone with Human Factors training will tell you that everyday we drive/operate machinery we will make some type of mistake.

 

Other than obvious breeches of the road code and unsafe acts the over all performance should be judged and the pass or fail be on an overall assessment not some small nit picky point.

 

The industry I work in is heavily focussed on safety. We're subject to regular competency assessments even after passing the licence issue. Such a thing as your son was failed on would be a discussion point during the debrief and a learning point, certainly not a fail.

 

I get really annoyed when I hears stories like this with an examiner who exhibits no proper understanding of the job they do. I have prepared and assessed candidates in my industry for many years and this is most certainly not the way to do it.





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  #3267213 1-Aug-2024 15:50
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Gurezaemon:

 

Except in Japan... because of course Japan has to do things differently.

 

 

I've been somewhere else (Singapore?) with horizontal lights too.


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  #3267223 1-Aug-2024 16:04
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Driving tests.

 

Unfortunately there was a lot of noise over the years that tests needed to be harder.
You could start this topic on Talkback now and it would probably takeover the session.
Someone will certainly pop in to say that full race driver training on the track is the only way.

 

So we got pedantic. 
Nervously perform a perfect left turn when a right was requested.
In the past would just get you extra maneuvers to perform to standard to get back on the right track. 
Now its probably a quick fail?

 

The lack of consideration, speeding, dangerous maneuvers and passing you see on the road is mostly not lack of knowledge of rules or ability to drive to rules while being watched.

 

It's people who have no respect for rules or safety once unsupervised.

Plus  freedom that mind altering drugs may give you from concern for your or anyone else's safety.
Those that don't get a license or are disqualified and drive anyway.
Making tests more complicated and pedantic for everyone else will not change them.

 

You really can't get away from having enough enforcement and cameras and follow up to filter out as imperfect as this is. 


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Handsomedan:

 

THis time around, he was told that he's an excellent driver but he failed because in rush hour traffic he waited for a gap to cross two lanes and turn right, when apparently, he should have crossed the two lanes and sat in the flush median to await a gap. The tester told him to do this, so as he "instructed" the driver, it's an instant fail. And it was at the end of the test, too, so he'd driven perfectly for an hour. 

 

Now his next available booking is late October. 

 

 

But that's what a flush median is for, so many people don't use them. 

 

 

 

And so many people flinch when you use it because they think you are coming into their lane and they are the same people who don't use them.

 

 

 

Maybe a bit harsh to fail him for not using it though, maybe should have questioned him on why he wasn't using it.


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  #3267229 1-Aug-2024 16:16
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Jase2985: But that's what a flush median is for, so many people don't use them.

 

... or even know what a flush median is.  Either they need to give it a more useful name or engage in a major education campaign to let people know what to do with it.

 

When they widened Whangaparoa Road they added a flush median and even put up helpful lit signs saying "flush median".  In an informal poll of randoms, no-one knew what to do with that, although one person thought it might be a poker hand.


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  #3267231 1-Aug-2024 16:21
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Jase2985:

 

Handsomedan:

 

THis time around, he was told that he's an excellent driver but he failed because in rush hour traffic he waited for a gap to cross two lanes and turn right, when apparently, he should have crossed the two lanes and sat in the flush median to await a gap. The tester told him to do this, so as he "instructed" the driver, it's an instant fail. And it was at the end of the test, too, so he'd driven perfectly for an hour. 

 

Now his next available booking is late October. 

 

 

But that's what a flush median is for, so many people don't use them. 

 

 

 

And so many people flinch when you use it because they think you are coming into their lane and they are the same people who don't use them.

 

 

 

Maybe a bit harsh to fail him for not using it though, maybe should have questioned him on why he wasn't using it.

 

 

On the failure notice, which he received by email, its states "Immediate failure error - Intervention. The Driver Testing Officer must not have to verbally direct you to prevent unsafe situations during your test"
I fail to see where the unsafe situation was that required verbal intervention. 
The testing officer is clearly not sufficiently skilled to assess learner drivers and needs to do some driver training himself, I feel. 





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  #3267242 1-Aug-2024 16:42
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That seems quite unfair if the expectation was just to swerve across two lanes in rush hour traffic instead. Do you have to pay the full fee again for each re-sit?


  #3267243 1-Aug-2024 16:44
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its not unsafe not to use it, but on the other hand he possibly should have used it to speed up getting round the corner.

 

IMO he shouldn't have failed, but as someone who just yesterday sat behind an ioniq 6 for what seemed like 2 minutes who had ample opportunity to use a median strip and didn't its very frustrating being in that position.


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  #3267302 1-Aug-2024 20:57
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Handsomedan:

 

On the failure notice, which he received by email, its states "Immediate failure error - Intervention. The Driver Testing Officer must not have to verbally direct you to prevent unsafe situations during your test"
I fail to see where the unsafe situation was that required verbal intervention. 
The testing officer is clearly not sufficiently skilled to assess learner drivers and needs to do some driver training himself, I feel. 

 

 

If it were me I'd be making a formal complaint to NZTA. 





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Jase2985:

 

But that's what a flush median is for, so many people don't use them. 

 

 

Incredibly frustrating during rush hour, someone will go about one-quarter into a flush median and wait for a gap in the oncoming heavy traffic to turn, with three-quarters of their vehicle blocking the general traffic lane. 

 

I read somewhere that the rules regarding the use of the median strip can be different in other countries (don't quote me on this) and might explain why a good number of Aucklanders (who learned to drive overseas) use the flush median poorly, if at all. 





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  #3267379 2-Aug-2024 07:13
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cddt:

 

Jase2985:

 

But that's what a flush median is for, so many people don't use them. 

 

 

Incredibly frustrating during rush hour, someone will go about one-quarter into a flush median and wait for a gap in the oncoming heavy traffic to turn, with three-quarters of their vehicle blocking the general traffic lane. 

 

I read somewhere that the rules regarding the use of the median strip can be different in other countries (don't quote me on this) and might explain why a good number of Aucklanders (who learned to drive overseas) use the flush median poorly, if at all. 

 

 

Australia for example.  While we would enter a painted turning bay on the flush median by using some of the flush median preceding it, if you try that in Oz you'll likely get ticketed.  You can only turn in where the paint suggests the turning bay has begun.  Because I guess their paint is more sensitive or something.  ;-)





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