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  #2386079 6-Jan-2020 14:10
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Getting called up for jury service.

 

 

I know a lot of people regard it as a Right Royal PITA - particularly if they’re working and depending on their work circumstances. However I honestly think it’s a really important civic duty and important to do. A lot of people bust their A to get out of it and I think that’s a shame and possibly too easy to do.

 

The call-up mechanic has been discussed here in the past - and it’s screwy to say the least. I worked with people in their 20s and 30s who had been called several times. OTOH I was called once in 1974, when I was 22 - and have never been called again. Doesn’t seem to be a truly random process.





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  #2386081 6-Jan-2020 14:17
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floydbloke:

 

Getting called up for jury service.

 

 

I know a lot of people regard it as a Right Royal PITA - particularly if they’re working and depending on their work circumstances. However I honestly think it’s a really important civic duty and important to do. A lot of people bust their A to get out of it and I think that’s a shame and possibly too easy to do.

 

The call-up mechanic has been discussed here in the past - and it’s screwy to say the least. I worked with people in their 20s and 30s who had been called several times. OTOH I was called once in 1974, when I was 22 - and have never been called again. Doesn’t seem to be a truly random process.

 

 

I've only ever been called up once and it was a few days before embarking on my OE, so didn't get to go. Was quite disappointed. 

 

Never had the opportunity since. 





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  #2386143 6-Jan-2020 15:05
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floydbloke:

 

Getting called up for jury service.

 

 

I know a lot of people regard it as a Right Royal PITA - particularly if they’re working and depending on their work circumstances. However I honestly think it’s a really important civic duty and important to do. A lot of people bust their A to get out of it and I think that’s a shame and possibly too easy to do.

 

The call-up mechanic has been discussed here in the past - and it’s screwy to say the least. ...

 

 

Agree with all that, including the civic duty part.  (I asked for deferment last June when I was contracting, just too much out of pocket, would actually be cheaper to not turn up and pay the fine, back in a perm role now so my employer will pay my wages).  The process is just so hopelessly inefficient with a hundred odd people sitting there for hours twiddling their thumbs while the judge chats with the solicitors, then 80% of them get told to bugger off after three hours and maybe or maybe not come back tomorrow.  Then the compensation is a measly $64 a day.  No wonder people try to skive off.





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  #2386156 6-Jan-2020 15:33
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Can you not just tell them that you don't believe in the justice system, and point out that section 13 of the Bill of Rights Act entitles you to freedom to exercise your personal beliefs?


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  #2386167 6-Jan-2020 15:45
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alasta:

 

Can you not just tell them that you don't believe in the justice system, and point out that section 13 of the Bill of Rights Act entitles you to freedom to exercise your personal beliefs?

 

 

There's hundreds of ways to weasle out of doing it (or be legitimately excused) or declaring yourself unfit.

 

But I (and others) believe it is a NZer's civic duty to attend when called up because it's the justice system we have (and albeit inefficient in my view, it is generally fair)....but I don't have to like it πŸ˜„.





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  #2386174 6-Jan-2020 16:00
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floydbloke:

 

Getting called up for jury service.

 

 

I know a lot of people regard it as a Right Royal PITA - particularly if they’re working and depending on their work circumstances. However I honestly think it’s a really important civic duty and important to do.

 

 

Whilst I agree with the above, it's the way that you're treated that grates. I (touch wood) haven't been called up for many years. But when I did, they called in about 30-40 people to select a jury of 12. So, first of all, there's nowhere comfortable to sit... we all sat in a drafty corridor. Helloooo... this must happen every week... how about a bit of consideration for the people who are there to perform that important civic duty? And, secondly, we were told to be there at 9:30, but nothing happened until 10.

 

I get that some people will be ineligible and undesirable and so on, but of the 30, 18 were balloted and 12 selected... could they not do some kind of pre-selection so that only 18 or 20 get called in? And not waste the time of all the rest?

 

So, we the unchosen were sent home and told to come back on Thursday at 9:30. I arrive back (at 9:50) and at 10 we're told that the previous case took longer than expected, so we could all go home again. But fill in some IRD forms to collect our meagre pay and lowest-cost transport reimbursement. Again, a colossal waste of many people's time. Totally disrespectful of all of those people.

 

The courtesy of a phone call the night before would have saved a lot of the justice system's money and time and irritation.

 

 


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  #2386184 6-Jan-2020 16:20
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floydbloke: Getting called up for jury service. 

 

I know a lot of people regard it as a Right Royal PITA - particularly if they’re working and depending on their work circumstances. However I honestly think it’s a really important civic duty and important to do. A lot of people bust their A to get out of it and I think that’s a shame and possibly too easy to do.

 

The call-up mechanic has been discussed here in the past - and it’s screwy to say the least. I worked with people in their 20s and 30s who had been called several times. OTOH I was called once in 1974, when I was 22 - and have never been called again. Doesn’t seem to be a truly random process. 

 

Some years ago I got called up in rapid succession for the Wellington High Court, the Wellington District Court and the Lower Hutt District Court. When I complained that I thought enough was enough, I established that they used the same list of possible jurors for each court - which seemed fraught with potential conflicts to me.


 
 
 
 


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  #2386325 6-Jan-2020 20:53
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dejadeadnz: the level of certainty with which the OP believed his plight to have been caused by lawyers is not supported by reality.

Assuming you mean me as "OP" at this point.

@dejadeadnz, I apologise for the offence I clearly caused; it was not my intention, and I am very sorry for that. I accept your rebuke as totally warranted.

In hindsight, I should have said 'legal agreements' instead of 'lawyers'; I was attempting to point out it wasn't a technical issue, but rather a legal/licensing issue as you've correctly and clearly pointed out.

I've been known to let my black sense of humor overrule my better judgement before, and I should know better.

Once again, I am truly sorry that I have offended you [and anyone else as well] with a poorly judged attempt at humor.


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  #2386349 6-Jan-2020 21:50
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floydbloke:

Geektastic:
floydbloke:


Getting called up for jury service.




Hope you get a juicy murder.


District court πŸ’€πŸ˜’



No fun. Make a few outrageously biased comments and get sent home?πŸ˜‚





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  #2386355 6-Jan-2020 21:55
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Geektastic:

No fun. Make a few outrageously biased comments and get sent home?πŸ˜‚

 

I wouldn't recommend it. The staff at the courts are well aware of the type of things people do to get out of Jury duty. I vaguely recall someone discussing being sent home with contempt of court fine or similar. 

 

 


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  #2386377 6-Jan-2020 22:51
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floydbloke:

 

eracode:

 

floydbloke:

 

Getting called up for jury service.

 

 

I know a lot of people regard it as a Right Royal PITA - particularly if they’re working and depending on their work circumstances. However I honestly think it’s a really important civic duty and important to do. A lot of people bust their A to get out of it and I think that’s a shame and possibly too easy to do.

 

The call-up mechanic has been discussed here in the past - and it’s screwy to say the least. ...

 

 

Agree with all that, including the civic duty part.  (I asked for deferment last June when I was contracting, just too much out of pocket, would actually be cheaper to not turn up and pay the fine, back in a perm role now so my employer will pay my wages).  The process is just so hopelessly inefficient with a hundred odd people sitting there for hours twiddling their thumbs while the judge chats with the solicitors, then 80% of them get told to bugger off after three hours and maybe or maybe not come back tomorrow.  Then the compensation is a measly $64 a day.  No wonder people try to skive off.

 

 

But remember, it's not about you. It's about the accusor and defendant having their day(s) in court.

 

The idea of a fair trial means you need extra candidates in case someone knows someone involved in the case. It's better to waste a bit of your time than have lawyers/judges/accused sit around (in Jail) for another week while a full jury is formed.

 

I'd been called a few times over the years but it was never a good time with study etc. I was called recently - I work for an employer who provides full pay on jury duty so I could finally find no excuses to answer the call and go along.

 

Yes, there's a lot of waiting around. There's worse things to do. 


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  #2386467 7-Jan-2020 10:20
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I was disappointed that there were no cases on for the 6 week period they gave me for jury service. I was a prosecution witness who testified the day before my final university exams ! Well one way to clear the mind..

I think because it was Jan Feb. I was curious as to whether I would actualy be called as once had crown prosecutor speak to my class who said most defence lawyers would object to a medical people being on jury. This sounded strange.

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  #2386512 7-Jan-2020 11:10
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alasta:

 

Can you not just tell them that you don't believe in the justice system, and point out that section 13 of the Bill of Rights Act entitles you to freedom to exercise your personal beliefs?

 

 

Or, ya know, just say that you think the accused is guilty otherwise why would they be there.


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  #2386533 7-Jan-2020 11:53
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dejadeadnz:

 

I am just pre-empting the “lawyer defending lawyer” comebackers, which almost invariably come via certain posters that know of my background whenever I post in response to people’s poshots at lawyers. The underlying point remains the same: the level of certainty with which the OP believed his plight to have been caused by lawyers is not supported by reality. 

 

 

”The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.” Shakespeare: Henry VI.





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  #2386822 7-Jan-2020 15:35
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Geektastic:

No fun. Make a few outrageously biased comments and get sent home?πŸ˜‚


I wouldn't recommend it. The staff at the courts are well aware of the type of things people do to get out of Jury duty. I vaguely recall someone discussing being sent home with contempt of court fine or similar. 


 



They can’t really stop you bringing your prejudices to the job though can they? That’s why (presumably) US courts have jury selection.





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