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  #2503729 12-Jun-2020 15:28
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Operational layoffs of many companies.





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  #2503926 13-Jun-2020 00:32
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The sharemarket today.

 

 

The exchange rate for NOK to NZD :/

 

Was looking like it was moving in the right direction, but then NOK tanked (again).


 
 
 
 


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  #2503953 13-Jun-2020 09:16
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Tvnz not communicating with the rest of the country about the effect of covid 19 on their terrible organization

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  #2503969 13-Jun-2020 10:12
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Woke up yesterday with sore eyes, sore nose, sore throat, feeling like I had covid.  Continued to feel awful, then noticed at about midday that there were some of these I hadn't seen in a bunch of mixed flowers in the living room.  Supposedly if you carefully cut the stamens out then problem solved. I'm not prone to allergies, hay fever , asthma etc - but I hate these. Had a kid with asthma stay here years ago, there was a bunch of these near his room - we nearly needed to get an ambulance. 




All lilies are also lethal to cats. Even a small amount of the pollen ingested by them can kill. Who knew.

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  #2504913 15-Jun-2020 11:13
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These damn protests and statue removals. Actually making me angry 😠


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  #2504953 15-Jun-2020 11:31
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These damn protests and statue removals. Actually making me angry 😠



It's the media that's caused the statue removal, and that restaurant to change its name. If they didn't make articles about those then no action would take place

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  #2504975 15-Jun-2020 12:16
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It's the media that's caused the statue removal, and that restaurant to change its name. If they didn't make articles about those then no action would take place

 

Yup.... far better for people not to know what those historical figures actually did, right? [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2504986 15-Jun-2020 12:29
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sm1ff:

It's the media that's caused the statue removal, and that restaurant to change its name. If they didn't make articles about those then no action would take place

 

Yup.... far better for people not to know what those historical figures actually did, right? [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO, far better for people to know, through research...having a lot of coverage of BLM on the news is one thing...atrocities happening around the globe need attention. Having that already outraged attention then focused on things that are less about that and more about a skewed reporting of the historical reasons for the statues being there, is another. 

 

Don't forget history, don't hide it. Learn from it. But I also agree that we don't celebrate it, if it was bad...

 

 

 

To be fair, I am not outraged by the removal of the statues as such...replace them with something, perhaps...give some artists some work and some income. I actually didn't realise who/what half of our statues were, or what they celebrated, but the attention has now been given to them. 

 

I'm also not big on changing placenames...but that's for another thread. 

 

 





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  #2504994 15-Jun-2020 12:42
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Handsomedan:

 

To be fair, I am not outraged by the removal of the statues as such...replace them with something, perhaps...give some artists some work and some income. I actually didn't realise who/what half of our statues were, or what they celebrated, but the attention has now been given to them. 

 

I'm also not big on changing placenames...but that's for another thread. 

 

 

I find it annoying (keeping on topic !) that I don't know what a lot of these historical figures did, either to earn themselves a placename or as an eternal target for pigeon poop. It's poor that I, dare I say 'we', are unaware of NZ history. Hopefully that'll change as there's a mood to discuss historical occurrences.

 

I'm not in favour of tearing down statues willnilly but I like the suggestion to tag statues with a description of historical events from other perspectives. That way we can learn about both sides of the story.

 

Hopefully over time we'll get more variety than white men in our statues.


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  #2505019 15-Jun-2020 13:34
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Diesel ute/SUV drivers who plant their right foot out of a corner and then slam on the brakes mid corner once they find out 2+ tonnes of steel with a high center of gravity is going to understeer like a ***** only to plant the right foot again.

 

 


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  #2505023 15-Jun-2020 13:45
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Handsomedan:

 

IMO, far better for people to know, through research...

 

 

There's no reason why the media can't do the research for the rest of us. I don't see an especial need to do all the research yourself.

 

I did do a little research into John Fane Charles Hamilton, since the media didn't tell me anything much. I didn't find anything terrible or even bad. He was commander of a British ship, and bravely led a charge at the battle of Gate Pa, during which he was shot in the head. It seems that his statue was seen more as representing British colonialism than the man himself. Which could be applied to everything from Hone Heke's flagpole to the flag itself to the Waitangi treaty grounds to almost any NZ organisation's coat of arms to driving on the left to naming things after British colonial-era people.

 

As in all this kind of stuff, the question I have is where it will all end. Once we've got rid of the statues and renamed the streets, what will be the next target?

 

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having a lot of coverage of BLM on the news is one thing...atrocities happening around the globe need attention. Having that already outraged attention then focused on things that are less about that and more about a skewed reporting of the historical reasons for the statues being there, is another. 

 

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I tend to agree. BLM in NZ seems to me to be more about virtue-signalling and attention-seeking and me-tooism than about actually protesting against something. Certainly not about protesting anything that the protesters themselves have experienced.

 

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To be fair, I am not outraged by the removal of the statues as such...replace them with something, perhaps...give some artists some work and some income.

 

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Yup. But are we going to be seeing a series of abstract pieces named World Peace? Because someone will find offense in almost anything else.

 

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I'm also not big on changing placenames...but that's for another thread. 

 

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I did like it when, during the 1970s, some city in Britain (I guess London) renamed the South African embassy's street after Nelson Mandela or Steve Biko.

 

 


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  #2505037 15-Jun-2020 14:27
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frankv:

 

Handsomedan:

 

IMO, far better for people to know, through research...

 

 

There's no reason why the media can't do the research for the rest of us. I don't see an especial need to do all the research yourself.

 

I did do a little research into John Fane Charles Hamilton, since the media didn't tell me anything much. I didn't find anything terrible or even bad. He was commander of a British ship, and bravely led a charge at the battle of Gate Pa, during which he was shot in the head. It seems that his statue was seen more as representing British colonialism than the man himself. Which could be applied to everything from Hone Heke's flagpole to the flag itself to the Waitangi treaty grounds to almost any NZ organisation's coat of arms to driving on the left to naming things after British colonial-era people.

 

 

"The Tauranga Campaign was a six-month-long armed conflict in New Zealand's Bay of Plenty in early 1864. It was part of the New Zealand wars that were fought over issues of land ownership and sovereignty.

 

British forces suffered a humiliating defeat in the Battle of Gate Pā (Pukehinahina) on 29 April 1864, with 31 killed and 80 wounded despite vastly outnumbering their Māori foe.

 

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There was a great outcry, both in New Zealand and England, that a force of 1,689 soldiers and sailors could have been defeated by 230 Māori."

 

 

 

He wasn't in charge of the battle, he died along with 30 others, they lost resoundingly, he never set foot in the Waikato at all. The battle was part of the overall NZ Wars to steal as much land from the owners as possible, even when the owners had signed a treaty with the English, and were demonstrably unwilling to give up said land.

 

He may have been a sterling chap by the standards of his time, but as far as history goes, why name the city of Hamilton after him? And is all that really deserving of a statue celebrating it in the city that bears his name? It not even a historic statue, its only been there for 8 years!


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  #2505107 15-Jun-2020 15:28
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He wasn't in charge of the battle, he died along with 30 others, they lost resoundingly, he never set foot in the Waikato at all. The battle was part of the overall NZ Wars to steal as much land from the owners as possible, even when the owners had signed a treaty with the English, and were demonstrably unwilling to give up said land.

 

He may have been a sterling chap by the standards of his time, but as far as history goes, why name the city of Hamilton after him? And is all that really deserving of a statue celebrating it in the city that bears his name? It not even a historic statue, its only been there for 8 years!

 

 

Yeah, I see all that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton,_New_Zealand#Name says "The settlement was named by Colonel William Moule after Captain John Fane Charles Hamilton,...". Elsewhere, I found that Moule was in the 43rd Regiment, who Hamilton fought with at Gate Pa. I don't know Moule chose to name Hamilton after him. Maybe they were friends, or he saw his death as heroic, in the same way as the Charge of the Light Brigade, and hence thought he ought to be remembered. But I don't see the statue as celebrating the battle at Gate Pa... I thought it was just to document the person the city was named after.

 

 


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  #2505110 15-Jun-2020 15:34
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These damn protests and statue removals. Actually making me angry 😠



It's messy but when the authorities don't change then this type of mass disobedience is required. It's not the way anyone would prefer things to be changed but change isn't orderly.

It was the same in 1981 in New Zealand. The Springbok tour was a fairly disruptive event for New Zealand society but ultimately necessary.

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  #2505111 15-Jun-2020 15:37
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frankv:

 

BlueShift:

 

He wasn't in charge of the battle, he died along with 30 others, they lost resoundingly, he never set foot in the Waikato at all. The battle was part of the overall NZ Wars to steal as much land from the owners as possible, even when the owners had signed a treaty with the English, and were demonstrably unwilling to give up said land.

 

He may have been a sterling chap by the standards of his time, but as far as history goes, why name the city of Hamilton after him? And is all that really deserving of a statue celebrating it in the city that bears his name? It not even a historic statue, its only been there for 8 years!

 

 

Yeah, I see all that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton,_New_Zealand#Name says "The settlement was named by Colonel William Moule after Captain John Fane Charles Hamilton,...". Elsewhere, I found that Moule was in the 43rd Regiment, who Hamilton fought with at Gate Pa. I don't know Moule chose to name Hamilton after him. Maybe they were friends, or he saw his death as heroic, in the same way as the Charge of the Light Brigade, and hence thought he ought to be remembered. But I don't see the statue as celebrating the battle at Gate Pa... I thought it was just to document the person the city was named after.

 

 

Sure, but as the guy's main claim to fame was being killed at Gate Pa, you can see how the folks he was sent to steal land from might be a tad put out. Especially since, after he died failing to win the battle, his mates regrouped and slaughtered the Māori at Te Renga. Leading to a huge amount of land confiscation and the founding of Tauranga, which they didn't name after Captain Hamilton, even though that would have made more sense.

 

If Hamilton (the bloke) had a history as a statesman, or explorer, or more of a military history than getting his head blown off in a failed land-grab, I might be able to understand honoring him with a statue, but, as it stands I don't.


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