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  #2650612 9-Feb-2021 19:40
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Said it before, and I'll no doubt say it again, but the days of Gliding On are long gone.

 

While Government Depts may not be the epitome of efficiency, they have spent the majority of the past decade being forced to "Do More With Less", being stripped back to bare bone and then scraping that as well.  So what may from the outside appear to be "inefficient" may actually be because they cannot afford to do things with proper investment and have to cobble together piecemeal solutions to problems that are, in some cases, unique to that department.

 

Also being hamstrung by "All Of Government" solutions that, given the widely differing nature of what each department deals with, one solution does not fit any, let alone all, because it's been provided by the lowest tendering bidder *cough*IBM*cough*.

 

One other thing to remember is that Government Departments are under very close scrutiny, mostly by the media and public who continue to flog the dead horse that all Government Departments should somehow be able to run without costing anything or providing the staff with any form of enjoyment at work lest those precious tax dollars be somehow wasted, all the while, we watch private companies do relatively simple things like a Christmas Lunch, catered by the company.  Could a Govt Dept do that?  Not likely.  They'd never hear the end of it from self righteous tax payers lamenting that the mindless drones ever be allowed to unchain themselves long enough to have a lunch celebrating the end of another year of scrimping.

 

This attitude towards Govt Depts needs to change.  It's out of date, wildly incorrect and downright disrespectful to those of us who slave away for usually less than the equivalent role in Private sector might pay us, especially come performance review time when we are simply told that it does not matter how well we performed, there's no money in the budget for pay rises.





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  #2650616 9-Feb-2021 19:46
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geoffwnz:

This attitude towards Govt Depts needs to change.  It's out of date, wildly incorrect and downright disrespectful to those of us who slave away for usually less than the equivalent role in Private sector might pay us, especially come performance review time when we are simply told that it does not matter how well we performed, there's no money in the budget for pay rises.

 

 

Apart from the general +1 for that, an additional point: Because government departments and SOEs are seen as big faceless organisations, they rarely get positive feedback for a job well done. Several times I've contacted them to thank someone for going above and beyond in performing their job, and each time I got the impression that it was like a surprise visit from the pope/queen/Lemmy, it just never happened and they really appreciated it when it did. So next time this happens to you, contact them and send a thankyou back to whoever was responsible.

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  #2650618 9-Feb-2021 19:50
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So you have experience of one govt department, and I have a different experience of around 40 (incl some local govt).

 

You are right regarding the ‘doing more with less’, ‘all of government’. I counter that with ... 9-5 mentality, “it’s not my job”, “this is the way we’ve always done it, and our way is special”, lack of decision making or willingness to take accountability.

 

There are some fine people working in government, but I’m sad to say there are too many people who aren’t up to their jobs, or at least work to a standard that wouldn’t survive in the private sector.

 

And absolutely, taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for Christmas lunches - that’s not why we pay tax.


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  #2650623 9-Feb-2021 20:00
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"UV resistant" plastic clothes pegs that crack after a year. 





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  #2650625 9-Feb-2021 20:08
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Sharetraders who call my Sons mobile persistently and despite patiently explaining my son is 11 and won't be trading shares, and please remove the number from their call list, them point blank refusing and refusing to put me through to a manager.

 

Credit for trying hard though, he did try and sell me shares during that time!


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  #2650640 9-Feb-2021 20:52
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Gurezaemon:

 

"UV resistant" plastic clothes pegs that crack after a year. 

 

 

I've just bought some of these because the plastic ones always "ping" off the boat guardrail wires when towels are drying (1st world problem I know).  Haven't tried them yet but they appear strong and will certainly be corrosion-proof and UV resistant.  Also no plastic in the sea if they do get lost

 

https://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/p/living-co-stainless-steel-pegs-silver-50-pack/R2640820.html#q=pegs&start=25&sz=24


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  #2650661 9-Feb-2021 21:06
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BlinkyBill:

 

So you have experience of one govt department, and I have a different experience of around 40 (incl some local govt).

 

You are right regarding the ‘doing more with less’, ‘all of government’. I counter that with ... 9-5 mentality, “it’s not my job”, “this is the way we’ve always done it, and our way is special”, lack of decision making or willingness to take accountability.

 

There are some fine people working in government, but I’m sad to say there are too many people who aren’t up to their jobs, or at least work to a standard that wouldn’t survive in the private sector.

 

And absolutely, taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for Christmas lunches - that’s not why we pay tax.

 

 

Do I?  Nice assumption, though wildly incorrect.

 

Tarring all public servants with the same brush that some people in *any* job, private or public use?  9-5 went out the door with Gliding On.  My own team covers from 6am to at least 6pm not counting on call people.  And we are a development team.  So again, you are promoting the disrespectful generalisation based on a handful of interactions you've had.
I'm sure anyone on here could come up with a handful of private companies that display the exact same traits you outlined.  Scroll back half a page for an Insurance buck passing episode for one example.

 

I don't disagree that there are people who are not up to their jobs, but again, no different to private sector.  Many examples of people promoted past their ability or in jobs they just aren't capable of.

 

And if you want to play that game, shareholders don't want to pay for Christmas lunches either, so get back to work.

 

Just stop.  It's as tiresome as it is out of date.  And like I said, disrespectful.  How would you like to repeatedly hear how crap you supposedly are at your job and how much of a waste of money it is paying you?





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  #2650703 9-Feb-2021 22:39
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networkn:

 

Sharetraders who call my sons mobile persistently and despite patiently explaining my son is 11 and won't be trading shares, and please remove the number from their call list, them point blank refusing and refusing to put me through to a manager.

 

 

People who call my moblie unannounced.

 

Mobile data companies that allow them to call my mobile from a clearly fake number.

 

Mobile data companies that force me to buy a voice service just to get mobile data.

 

Its an industry just trying their best to become irrelevant and replaced with apps.





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  #2650710 9-Feb-2021 23:22
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shk292:

 

Gurezaemon:

 

"UV resistant" plastic clothes pegs that crack after a year. 

 

 

I've just bought some of these because the plastic ones always "ping" off the boat guardrail wires when towels are drying (1st world problem I know).  Haven't tried them yet but they appear strong and will certainly be corrosion-proof and UV resistant.  Also no plastic in the sea if they do get lost

 

https://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/p/living-co-stainless-steel-pegs-silver-50-pack/R2640820.html#q=pegs&start=25&sz=24

 

 

I just grabbed some of those today as well - they're certainly metal, but each side of the clip is disturbingly offset from each other. We'll have to see how they stack up over a couple of years' use.





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  #2650814 10-Feb-2021 09:33
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International team sports being played in a pandemic. 

 

Travelling across the globe to play sport...I understand there's huge money at stake, but seriously??? FIFA Club World Cup, International Cricket, 6 Nations Rugby, England ladies playing an upcoming football friendly...

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, I get the tournament ones that matter. But International Friendlies????? Seriously. Get a grip world sport. It's only likely to be another year and you can go back to your usual business. 





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  #2650818 10-Feb-2021 09:41
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geoffwnz:

 

BlinkyBill:

 

So you have experience of one govt department, and I have a different experience of around 40 (incl some local govt).

 

You are right regarding the ‘doing more with less’, ‘all of government’. I counter that with ... 9-5 mentality, “it’s not my job”, “this is the way we’ve always done it, and our way is special”, lack of decision making or willingness to take accountability.

 

There are some fine people working in government, but I’m sad to say there are too many people who aren’t up to their jobs, or at least work to a standard that wouldn’t survive in the private sector.

 

And absolutely, taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for Christmas lunches - that’s not why we pay tax.

 

 

Do I?  Nice assumption, though wildly incorrect.

 

Tarring all public servants with the same brush that some people in *any* job, private or public use?  9-5 went out the door with Gliding On.  My own team covers from 6am to at least 6pm not counting on call people.  And we are a development team.  So again, you are promoting the disrespectful generalisation based on a handful of interactions you've had.
I'm sure anyone on here could come up with a handful of private companies that display the exact same traits you outlined.  Scroll back half a page for an Insurance buck passing episode for one example.

 

I don't disagree that there are people who are not up to their jobs, but again, no different to private sector.  Many examples of people promoted past their ability or in jobs they just aren't capable of.

 

And if you want to play that game, shareholders don't want to pay for Christmas lunches either, so get back to work.

 

Just stop.  It's as tiresome as it is out of date.  And like I said, disrespectful.  How would you like to repeatedly hear how crap you supposedly are at your job and how much of a waste of money it is paying you?

 

 

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Hallelujah! :)


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  #2650831 10-Feb-2021 09:59
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shk292:

 

I've just bought some of these because the plastic ones always "ping" off the boat guardrail wires when towels are drying (1st world problem I know).

 

 

My SO's solution to this is to find the nastiest length of tangled nylon cord and tie it with random complex self-tightening knots between mast rigging, rails, whatever seems to be conveniently placed, so the boat ends up looking like a science experiment to determine the effect of LSD or zero gravity on spiders.  The pegs fall off anyway, and some clothing doesn't float.  Life is hard.


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  #2650835 10-Feb-2021 10:02
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BlinkyBill:

 

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that government is inherently inefficient; and significantly less efficient than private. Over many years I’ve become convinced that this is because governments spend other peoples money, and private spends its own money.

 

 

Well yes, government is inefficient because it is spending other peoples' money, and therefore must account for and justify all its spending to 5 million critics. So there's an added layer of reporting and analysis and decision-making and governance on everything. But that also leads to conservatism and risk-aversion and decision deferral and committees galore (and coverups and back-stabbing and politics).

 

And of course everything has to be done the cheapest way possible, which is not necessarily the best way nor the quickest (cheap, soon, good -- choose any two), and with the absolute minimum of staffing. Managers become expert at manipulating things out of OPEX budgets and into CAPEX budgets and projects, which typically have more funding. So, it's easier to hire a contractor at $120/hr (or whatever they want to charge) to "upgrade" a piece of software but no money to hire a staff member at $40/hr to maintain that and a dozen other pieces of software. Naturally, the contractor then leaves, and takes the institutional knowledge with them.

 

 


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  #2650846 10-Feb-2021 10:17
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Derailed threads.

 

 


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  #2650847 10-Feb-2021 10:18
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BlinkyBill:

 

There are some fine people working in government, but I’m sad to say there are too many people who aren’t up to their jobs, or at least work to a standard that wouldn’t survive in the private sector.

 

And absolutely, taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for Christmas lunches - that’s not why we pay tax.

 

 

Let's assume you're right that there are people who aren't up to their jobs in public service, and that they wouldn't survive in the private sector. Why are they there? Because no-one in the private sector wants to come and take those jobs. Because the pay is minimal, advancement is glacial, the bureaucracy is painful, and there's a never-ending series of people carping on about their inefficiency.

 

Why should customers of (say) supermarkets pay for supermarket workers or managers to have Xmas lunches? Or for tradies or doctors to go to a "conference" in Las Vegas?

 

 


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