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  Reply # 1618525 27-Aug-2016 23:09
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Words are an agreed set of symbols with meanings. Over time the agreement of the use of them changes.

 

 

The problem arises when one party in a communication makes changes through ignorance or sloppiness that the other hasn't agreed to. The result is confusion, irritation and miscommunication. 

 

 





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  Reply # 1618526 27-Aug-2016 23:11
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Dyslexic people can tend to misspell and get words horribly wrong too, as well as mixing contexts. I know two people (good friends) who are dyslexic, both of whom are highly intelligent: one is a fully qualified lawyer and the other holds about 5 or 6 university degrees. Their emails can be hilarious to read but I always get the point (after reading two or three times) but would never dare to come out with suggesting their thinking was fuzzy. I wouldn't even think it. It would possibly pay for some people to realise there may be reasons other than attitude for grammatical errors, then get over themselves.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1618527 27-Aug-2016 23:17
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Words are the tools of thought. If you don't know how to use them correctly your thinking is fuzzy.

 

 

Taken this far, your point is basically nonsense. There are plenty of people who are supremely well-educated and intelligent that don't write in perfectly grammatical English -- yet any objective assessment of the originality of thought, logical comprehension, and ability to distil complicated ideas etc will show that their thinking is far from fuzzy. I don't mind the odd typo or error, especially in a relatively casual context like a forum post. What I resent are instances of obvious ignorance or even "in your face" type of stupidity, where people practically deliberately use words the wrong way because they don't care or they want to make some kind of statement that it doesn't matter. I am going to be hard-pressed to be convinced that anybody with a modicum of education seriously cannot understand the difference between "you're" and "your", for example.

 

This is not intended in any way to defend what these people do, BTW. I don't mind the odd typo or error, especially in a relatively casual context like a forum post. I personally operate on the basis of a threshold. With the likes of job applications (for example), if a candidate makes too many grammatical errors, the person shows me that he/she is prone to carelessness or worse. But I am not going to judge anyone horribly based on a couple of minor mistakes.

 

 

 

 

 

There is a difference between the odd typo or error and persistent mistakes that result in confusion and miscommunication. It is not nonsense to point this out. I have read many posts here that were so garbled I actually could not understand the intention of the author. Unfortunately I do not have any examples at hand but I'm sure you will have seen plenty as well.

 

 





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  Reply # 1618528 27-Aug-2016 23:19
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I have two sons with Dyslexia and know all too well the treatment they received due to their disability.
One Son has a BSc with first class honours and a Masters with distinction. The other had good career in the Armed Forces before leaving to move into Management.

People do not spell incorrectly or use bad Grammar to annoy others. Folks that mock them certainly annoy me but I guess it must be tough bring perfect.





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  Reply # 1618529 27-Aug-2016 23:21
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I make many mistakes, typing one handed due to disability is a bitch, but I must humbly beg forgiveness




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  Reply # 1618534 27-Aug-2016 23:27
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Dratsab: Dyslexic people can tend to misspell and get words horribly wrong too, as well as mixing contexts. I know two people (good friends) who are dyslexic, both of whom are highly intelligent: one is a fully qualified lawyer and the other holds about 5 or 6 university degrees. Their emails can be hilarious to read but I always get the point (after reading two or three times) but would never dare to come out with suggesting their thinking was fuzzy. I wouldn't even think it. It would possibly pay for some people to realise there may be reasons other than attitude for grammatical errors, then get over themselves.

 

Good point. Dyslexia is a real condition and it is not fair to single such people out. I am also close to someone who had great problems with this when she was young. She has improved considerably over the years, though her spelling is still a little wobbly. I don't have a problem with that but it can't be used as an excuse for those who simply cannot be bothered. 

 

 





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  Reply # 1618538 27-Aug-2016 23:32
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Rikkitic:

Dratsab: Dyslexic people can tend to misspell and get words horribly wrong too, as well as mixing contexts. I know two people (good friends) who are dyslexic, both of whom are highly intelligent: one is a fully qualified lawyer and the other holds about 5 or 6 university degrees. Their emails can be hilarious to read but I always get the point (after reading two or three times) but would never dare to come out with suggesting their thinking was fuzzy. I wouldn't even think it. It would possibly pay for some people to realise there may be reasons other than attitude for grammatical errors, then get over themselves.


Good point. Dyslexia is a real condition and it is not fair to single such people out. I am also close to someone who had great problems with this when she was young. She has improved considerably over the years, though her spelling is still a little wobbly. I don't have a problem with that but it can't be used as an excuse for those who simply cannot be bothered. 


 



How do you know say reading a post here or a letter or other writing that writer does not have a disability?





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  Reply # 1618542 27-Aug-2016 23:44
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How do you know say reading a post here or a letter or other writing that writer does not have a disability?

 

If you only look at spelling and grammar you can't really know, but as has been pointed out, the content and style of what is written also counts for something. If the writer is clearly intelligent and has something worthwhile to say, allowances can be made for other things. I agree there can be many reasons why someone makes basic mistakes with written language and I also agree that I shouldn't be so quick to pass judgement, but this is something that happens to matter to me. I just find it hard to accept that there are so many dyslexic people here. This has not been my experience in other countries.

 

 





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  Reply # 1618544 27-Aug-2016 23:57
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Rikkitic:

MikeB4:
Rikkitic:


 




How do you know say reading a post here or a letter or other writing that writer does not have a disability?


If you only look at spelling and grammar you can't really know, but as has been pointed out, the content and style of what is written also counts for something. If the writer is clearly intelligent and has something worthwhile to say, allowances can be made for other things. I agree there can be many reasons why someone makes basic mistakes with written language and I also agree that I shouldn't be so quick to pass judgement, but this is something that happens to matter to me. I just find it hard to accept that there are so many dyslexic people here. This has not been my experience in other countries.


 



Many disabilities affect how someone may write, speak or organise. I find your assumptions arrogant. You are making judgements without knowing all the facts. The very attitude that caused my son's to be bullied a lot growing up.

You also make the assumption that English is the writer first language




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  Reply # 1618546 28-Aug-2016 00:21
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On reflection, I have to agree with you. My assumptions are arrogant and I am too quick to make the wrong ones. Of course there can be many reasons why people struggle with language and they are not all due to ignorance or sloppiness. Language is important to me, both personally and professionally. Many of the mistakes I see leave me frustrated and exasperated. You said in an earlier post that such things don’t bother you much. They do bother me. I can’t help it. Sometimes the frustration boils over and I guess that is what has emerged today. I just wish people would make a little more effort to get it right. I think it is important. But I also take your point and I am sorry if I caused offense.

 

 





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  Reply # 1618567 28-Aug-2016 05:04
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Rikkitic:

 

Different people have different sensitivities. The spelling and grammatical errors here drive me crazy sometimes. It is bad enough that people don't know, but much worse that they also don't care. The school system in this country has a lot to answer for.

 

 

 

 

Not just lazy or poor spelling and grammar - there's the occasional people who don't use punctuation and/or don't write in distinct sentences. The result is then just a long string of words that need to be read several times to be understood. That really gets me.


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  Reply # 1618573 28-Aug-2016 07:48
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The English language (which is a bastard child of so many other languages) also has a lot to answer for. I have mild dyslexia and I had a hell of a time learning to read and write in the 1970s at school. Think of all the crazy ways that words are spelt in English, irregular pluralisation rules to name but two!


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  Reply # 1618588 28-Aug-2016 08:25
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freitasm:

 

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andrew027:

 

Geektastic: News reports that leave out "the" in front of "Police".

 

As in

 

"It is a matter for Police" rather than "It is a matter for the Police". 

 

Maybe it's only a matter for some police, not all of them?

 

 

No "the" causes police to be a verb. But lets not get in the way of modern news items...Its not about the news its about the click

 

 

"The" is a definite article, used in front of a noum to denote a specific item, instead of a generic one denoted by "a" or "an". Using "The" does not make that a verb. It is also used to mark a proper noum or title.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I meant no "the"    not no, "the"  as if there was no "the" meaning its a verb, and "the" means it is a noun  


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  Reply # 1618590 28-Aug-2016 08:50
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eracode:

 

 

 

Not just lazy or poor spelling and grammar - there's the occasional people who don't use punctuation and/or don't write in distinct sentences. The result is then just a long string of words that need to be read several times to be understood. That really gets me.

 

 

That is also part of it, and apart from anything else, anyone can use a spell checker. It won't catch everything, but it will certainly help. The fact that many people apparently can't be bothered says something. Those who genuinely suffer from dyslexia or other conditions should not be abused for making mistakes, but there are simple things that can be done to avoid a lot of them. This is what I was really complaining about, that many people apparently can't be bothered to even make an effort. I think precision in the use of language is important. It is how we communicate. A degree of sloppiness can be tolerated on social media, but I also see it creeping into newspapers and on-line media. If people really do have a problem using written language correctly, surely they should not choose a profession like  print journalism? 

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1618593 28-Aug-2016 08:58
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Punctuation rules are complicated for those where English is their native language. Those using English as second language it's a nightmare. We are a culturally diverse nation with a large percentage of our population having English as a second language, folks need to climb down off their towers and read what is intended.  





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