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#1618597 28-Aug-2016 09:05

MikeB4:

Punctuation rules are complicated for those where English is their native language. Those using English as second language it's a nightmare. We are a culturally diverse nation with a large percentage of our population having English as a second language, folks need to climb down off their towers and read what is intended.

I take your point but I respectfully disagree. Freitasm speaks English better than anyone here, but it is his second language if I am not mistaken. There are others here who also have English as a second language and use it correctly. Not everyone can. I do agree with that. But it should still be an aspirational goal.

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#1618598 28-Aug-2016 09:06

Something that annoys me but not in a small way, the self appointed spelling and grammar police

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#1618600 28-Aug-2016 09:08

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#1618602 28-Aug-2016 09:10

I guess we all have things that annoy us. That is what this thread is for.

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#1618604 28-Aug-2016 09:13

Rikkitic:

tdgeek:

I meant no "the" not no, "the" as if there was no "the" meaning its a verb, and "the" means it is a noun

'To police'', as in 'we shall police the streets' = verb.

'Police', as in 'the police' = noun. It makes no difference whether you say 'police' or 'the police'. If you say 'police are increasing their efforts to combat crime', it is a noun. Same if you add the article 'the'.

So "the" is not a requirement for grammar, we rely solely on context?

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#1618605 28-Aug-2016 09:15

Geektastic:

News reports that leave out "the" in front of "Police".

As in

"It is a matter for Police" rather than "It is a matter for the Police".

Rikkitic has corrected that, "the" is not required, so just leave it out and rely on context.

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#1618608 28-Aug-2016 09:18

tdgeek:

So "the" is not a requirement for grammar, we rely solely on context?

When the article is not used, it is implied. Personally I think 'the police' sounds better but this really is quibbling (which others accuse me of).

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#1618613 28-Aug-2016 09:40

Rikkitic:

MikeB4:

Punctuation rules are complicated for those where English is their native language. Those using English as second language it's a nightmare. We are a culturally diverse nation with a large percentage of our population having English as a second language, folks need to climb down off their towers and read what is intended.

I take your point but I respectfully disagree. Freitasm speaks English better than anyone here, but it is his second language if I am not mistaken. There are others here who also have English as a second language and use it correctly. Not everyone can. I do agree with that. But it should still be an aspirational goal.

Richie McCaw can play rugby, there should be 4.5 million here able to. My son is a marksman I am slack because the side of a barn is a small target for me. Hayden Paddon is a WRC drive then we all should be able to.

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#1618615 28-Aug-2016 09:41

a couple of umm irritations Justin Marshall and Phil Kearns, that's all.

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#1618617 28-Aug-2016 09:56

MikeB4:

Richie McCaw can play rugby, there should be 4.5 million here able to. My son is a marksman I am slack because the side of a barn is a small target for me. Hayden Paddon is a WRC drive then we all should be able to.

Well that's just a nonsensical comparison and you well know it. Being able to play rugby like Richie McCaw is exceedingly difficult; same for professional race driving. Being able to write in broadly grammatical English and being able to spell/use the correct words in the relevant context is not anywhere near as difficult.

Again, I also have no time of the day for people who tease and hassle those with issues like dyslexia. That's not on. Same for people ragging on at others based on irrelevant grammatical "transgressions" like wrong use of split infinitives. But respect goes both ways -- most people who make the usual but significant errors in grammar are not dyslexic and know better. And the excuse that language is evolving rarely can operate as a realistic defence for what they are doing, especially in a globalised world. Where's the broad global understanding that, for example, the apostrophe can be randomly sprinkled about to denote a plural? Note also that many people who make these types of basic errors rarely exhibit even a coherent pattern of usage. There is a point where they are imposing a cost upon others in terms of additional reading time and aggravation.

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#1618619 28-Aug-2016 10:10

dejadeadnz:

MikeB4:

Richie McCaw can play rugby, there should be 4.5 million here able to. My son is a marksman I am slack because the side of a barn is a small target for me. Hayden Paddon is a WRC drive then we all should be able to.

Well that's just a nonsensical comparison and you well know it. Being able to play rugby like Richie McCaw is exceedingly difficult; same for professional race driving. Being able to write in broadly grammatical English and being able to spell/use the correct words in the relevant context is not anywhere near as difficult.

Again, I also have no time of the day for people who tease and hassle those with issues like dyslexia. That's not on. Same for people ragging on at others based on irrelevant grammatical "transgressions" like wrong use of split infinitives. But respect goes both ways -- most people who make the usual but significant errors in grammar are not dyslexic and know better. And the excuse that language is evolving rarely can operate as a realistic defence for what they are doing, especially in a globalised world. Where's the broad global understanding that, for example, the apostrophe can be randomly sprinkled about to denote a plural? Note also that many people who make these types of basic errors rarely exhibit even a coherent pattern of usage. There is a point where they are imposing a cost upon others in terms of additional reading time and aggravation.

guilty as charged, dammit.

But it can be hard, things like affect and effect does my head in sometimes as to what to use when. Growing up weather, whether, hair, hare, here, wear, where, weir, ware I am sure caused me to bite my nails, be unable to talk to girls and stopped me from being able to eat Asparagus and Broccoli.

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#1618625 28-Aug-2016 10:41

MikeB4:

guilty as charged, dammit.

But it can be hard, things like affect and effect does my head in sometimes as to what to use when. Growing up weather, whether, hair, hare, here, wear, where, weir, ware I am sure caused me to bite my nails, be unable to talk to girls and stopped me from being able to eat Asparagus and Broccoli.

The ironic thing about this is that you are not one of the people I would ever accuse of grammatical sloppiness. Your posts are always clear, well-written, and free of the kind of silly errors that set me off.

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#1618633 28-Aug-2016 10:49

Rikkitic:

MikeB4:

guilty as charged, dammit.

But it can be hard, things like affect and effect does my head in sometimes as to what to use when. Growing up weather, whether, hair, hare, here, wear, where, weir, ware I am sure caused me to bite my nails, be unable to talk to girls and stopped me from being able to eat Asparagus and Broccoli.

The ironic thing about this is that you are not one of the people I would ever accuse of grammatical sloppiness. Your posts are always clear, well-written, and free of the kind of silly errors that set me off.

Hahaha, you should see how much correcting I must do before posting.

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#1618636 28-Aug-2016 10:57

At least you do it. I wish others would. That is my complaint.

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