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  Reply # 1526212 5-Apr-2016 10:18
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Sideface:

 

At last, some good news (Time Inc Network)

 

The Beginning of the End of Donald Trump

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"As repulsive as the spectacle has been, Donald Trump being taken down by his own misogyny counts as a rare occasion of actual human progress."

"Donald Trump has been an effective national bully - of the disabled, of Mexicans and Muslims, of strong women - for the duration of his almost year-long candidacy.
Through the fall and the winter, it appeared that no one could stop him.
Now, at long last, it looks like he’s being thwarted by the only person capable of doing so: himself."

 

 

If that's true, wow it took a long time to realise. If it's not true, well, they're still in denial.

 

 

 

 

Its almost lucky. he needs more then 50% to get the nomination, so if he falls short of that, then the Republican council or whatever it calls itself decides.

 

Thats a lucky out

 

 


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  Reply # 1526216 5-Apr-2016 10:34
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Incorrect.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1526256 5-Apr-2016 11:33
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gzt: Incorrect.

 

 

 

Thats clears it up. Clarify?

 

IIRC he needs 1200 odd seats or whatever the number was. Not 50%. If he fails to reach that boundary, its a decision by the party, not the voters

 

 

 

Ah, its is 50%, the 1237 needed. Ok

 

 


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  Reply # 1526273 5-Apr-2016 12:03
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The republican party primary voters are voting to send delegates to a convention. Later on at a national level these delegates convene and vote for candidates. If no candidate gets more than 50% of the delegate votes, then the delegates are free to vote for whomever they choose.

This system made sense when delegates had to travel long distances to reach the national level and reconvening voters was a similar challenge.

The delegates make the decision, not repuplican primary voters, not the republican party national committee.


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  Reply # 1526274 5-Apr-2016 12:05
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I think the rule is that if he gets over 50% before the convention, then the convention is a formality and backslapping publicity stunt.

 

If not, the delegates haggle & horse-trade to see which candidate they shift to. So, for example Marco Rubio's 171 (so far) delegates (if there are any) might agree to vote for Ted Cruz if he too decides to build a wall along the Mexican border, or for Trump if he agrees to appoint Rubio as Secretary of State and recants on punishing women who have abortions.

 

 


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gzt: The republican party primary voters are voting to send delegates to a convention. Later on at a national level these delegates convene and vote for candidates. If no candidate gets more than 50% of the delegate votes, then the delegates are free to vote for whomever they choose.

This system made sense when delegates had to travel long distances to reach the national level and reconvening voters was a similar challenge.

The delegates make the decision, not repuplican primary voters, not the republican party national committee.

 

 

 

Thanks for that. I'd assume that with the primary voters, voting in a winner (highest votes) that if that winner got over 50% he/she IS the presidental candidate. As in a formality. Can they stop him still? Should the winner not reach 50%, the delegates decide? (I guess discussion, deals, vote) 

 

So, in this case, say the primary voters got Trump in over the 50%, the Delegates can still vote him out?


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tdgeek: So, in this case, say the primary voters got Trump in over the 50%, the Delegates can still vote him out?

 

My understanding is yes. Say his 1237 Trump affiliated delegates go to the convention, then Trump tweets that his own delegates are imbeciles who would vote for a horse, then his delegates might get the hump and vote for somebody else.

 

https://gop.com/convention-facts/?convention_type=home

 

A candidate must win the votes of a majority of delegates to secure the nomination

 

It all depends on how strict the term "bound" is.

 

Most delegates will go to Convention “bound” to vote for a particular candidate, based on how their state or territory voted.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1526290 5-Apr-2016 12:30
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tdgeek:

gzt: The republican party primary voters are voting to send delegates to a convention. Later on at a national level these delegates convene and vote for candidates. If no candidate gets more than 50% of the delegate votes, then the delegates are free to vote for whomever they choose.

This system made sense when delegates had to travel long distances to reach the national level and reconvening voters was a similar challenge.

The delegates make the decision, not repuplican primary voters, not the republican party national committee.


 


Thanks for that. I'd assume that with the primary voters, voting in a winner (highest votes) that if that winner got over 50% he/she IS the presidental candidate. As in a formality. Can they stop him still? Should the winner not reach 50%, the delegates decide? (I guess discussion, deals, vote) 


So, in this case, say the primary voters got Trump in over the 50%, the Delegates can still vote him out?


I'm not really sure on that. The primary results are public info so if way over 50 going into the convention it is very unlikely the outcome would be different.

Marginal situations on the other hand are a bunch of wriggly fish. For instance delegates can agree to change the rules before the delegate voting begins.

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  Reply # 1526294 5-Apr-2016 12:39
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tdgeek: So, in this case, say the primary voters got Trump in over the 50%, the Delegates can still vote him out?


My understanding is yes. Say his 1237 Trump affiliated delegates go to the convention, then Trump tweets that his own delegates are imbeciles who would vote for a horse, then his delegates might get the hump and vote for somebody else.


https://gop.com/convention-facts/?convention_type=home


A candidate must win the votes of a majority of delegates to secure the nomination


It all depends on how strict the term "bound" is.


Most delegates will go to Convention “bound” to vote for a particular candidate, based on how their state or territory voted.


 


 


My understanding is individual state law has penalties for bound delegates that go to the convention and vote differently. However, that probably does not invalidate the vote.

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  Reply # 1526981 6-Apr-2016 13:49
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Yay, Drumph loses. Yuck, Cruz wins.

 

 





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Rikkitic: Yay, Drumph loses. Yuck, Cruz wins.

 

Trump and Cruz have basically the same political beliefs

 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/12/ted-cruz-lesser-evil-to-donald-trump

 

"Neil Sroka, spokesman for the activist group Democracy for America, called them both “awful”, though “it’s a different kind of awful.”

 

The principle of electing Trump is worse, he added, but the end result might actually be better. “If Trump wins, America has really gone to hell, but he’s more malleable and such a narcissist that he might get deals done in any way he can,” he said."

 

"“Cruz, armed with a Republican House and Senate, could be like a rightwing demagogue we’ve never seen, worse than Ronald Reagan. He could be way more dangerous than Trump.”"


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Rikkitic: Yay, Drumph loses. Yuck, Cruz wins.

 

Trump and Cruz have basically the same political beliefs

 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/12/ted-cruz-lesser-evil-to-donald-trump

 

"Neil Sroka, spokesman for the activist group Democracy for America, called them both “awful”, though “it’s a different kind of awful.”

 

The principle of electing Trump is worse, he added, but the end result might actually be better. “If Trump wins, America has really gone to hell, but he’s more malleable and such a narcissist that he might get deals done in any way he can,” he said."

 

"“Cruz, armed with a Republican House and Senate, could be like a rightwing demagogue we’ve never seen, worse than Ronald Reagan. He could be way more dangerous than Trump.”"

 

 

It's weird - Cruz is not electable as a President. Republicans don't want Trump, yet he is the best chance at steamrolling Hillary .... Kasich?


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  Reply # 1527174 6-Apr-2016 17:27
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A good analysis of the whole Republican Convention thing... http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/republican-party-contested-convention-trump-cruz-rubio-delegates

 

 

 

 

Haven't read your link yet - I heard the Republicans are trying to retain the House, and rebuild from there, if they deny Trump. Because there is no hope of Presidency without Trump.




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I'm just waiting for Trump to use a certain racial epithet that rhymes with trigger. That'll sink him for good.


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