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  Reply # 1604494 4-Aug-2016 19:01
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SaltyNZ: Ugh... Trump. But - Clinton? Really? Why couldn't Michelle Obama have run instead?

 

Maybe the Democrats are saving her for the next election?  

 

Or maybe she is wise enough not to want the job.  smile





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  Reply # 1604568 4-Aug-2016 20:08
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MikeB4: I sincerely hope that if Trump is elected that the NZ Government distances us from the US.


Won't happen, our economy are too dependant and intricately linked to them

Each state could have their own Brexit

 

We were relatively unscathed by other world issues, so we will be fine


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1604569 4-Aug-2016 20:10
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SaltyNZ: Ugh... Trump. But - Clinton? Really? Why couldn't Michelle Obama have run instead?

 

Clinton is standard. Aware, educated. Maybe not for you but  Trump, is a train wreck


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  Reply # 1604592 4-Aug-2016 20:40
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47% of Clinton backers have no close friends who support Dumpf

 

 

 

I can understand this. I personally consider anyone who supports or express serious admiration for Trump to be completely beyond the pale. And this is coming from someone who has had (and continues to have) respectful friendships with people who voted for GWB. I unfriended a casual acquaintance on Facebook after getting sick of his daily ravings about how he loves Trump's fight against political correctness blah blah.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1604598 4-Aug-2016 20:48
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47% of Clinton backers have no close friends who support Dumpf

 

 

 

I can understand this. I personally consider anyone who supports or express serious admiration for Trump to be completely beyond the pale. And this is coming from someone who has had (and continues to have) respectful friendships with people who voted for GWB. I unfriended a casual acquaintance on Facebook after getting sick of his daily ravings about how he loves Trump's fight against political correctness blah blah.

 

 

 

 

 

 

To me, its a reaction of some older white US males. The gap is only a few percent, 9 at last count, which is not just a worry but a WTF? Thats tells me desperation in the US populous. Alamo. End of the US place in the world. Others can take over and probably will. China and Europe. Only 2 billion, but as a  percentage of first world countries that's huge


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Whilst I think trump is an absolute joke and his whole nomination was like an IQ test that the country is seriously failing. After reading this article it might open up some insight in to why he is actually getting some traction.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-us-politics-poor-whites/

I got it from a sanders supporter but she seemed to think it was well worth the read





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  Reply # 1604682 4-Aug-2016 22:38
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Townhall.com delivers the LOLs yet again

 

 

 

So, so angry; and just so deranged. And he's a lawyer. How embarrassing.

 

 

I don't care if Trump's a bad person because I know that Hillary Clinton is a worse person, and that she would be unrestrained in power and pose a significant chance of plunging this country into violence. Compared to what that malignant Chavez wanna-be has in mind, electing the jerk seems the best way to avoid the kind of civil conflict that would give the fussy Trump foes something to really sob about.

 

And if you think that makes me “despicable” or lack “honor” or whatever else you want to offer to try to shame me into smoothing the way for Hillary’s coronation, well, I got something that you can repudiate.

 

...

 

The libs called W Chimpy McBu$hiltlerburton and he took it. McCain felt morally obligated to nod along as they flayed him – hell, just this week he pivoted back to his classic Maverick Blue Falcon mode with his pompous pseudo-outrage at Trump for refusing to bend over, thank the libs, and ask, “May I have another?”

 

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The voters are done with this hypocritical crap. We’re not voting for Trump to be our buddy. We’re voting for him to deny insider elitist libfascist Hillary the presidency until a conservative can come along who has the ability to connect with normal voters and the stones to fight. We've seen their lies and we just don't care anymore. Our next candidate better understand that the game has changed and that we’re playing by the Dems’ rules now. If he or she does, then maybe this crummy year won’t be a total loss.

 

 

 

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  Reply # 1604721 5-Aug-2016 01:53
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and pose a significant chance of plunging this country into violence.

 

 

Wow, I'd hate to imagine what that might look like.


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I’m going to vote for the imperfect vessel instead of the overflowing chamber pot.

 

 

 

 

This is an awesome quote and I'm going to use it forever. It doesn't matter who I'm voting for; it's still true.





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  Reply # 1604758 5-Aug-2016 08:30
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SaltyNZ:


I’m going to vote for the imperfect vessel instead of the overflowing chamber pot.



 


This is an awesome quote and I'm going to use it forever. It doesn't matter who I'm voting for; it's still true.



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  Reply # 1604787 5-Aug-2016 09:03
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Fred99:

 

 

 

For trade.  On global political/economic issues - not even close.

 

Pays to not overestimate trade with China.  It's only about 16-17% of NZ's global trade.  

 

 

 

 

Yeah let's not worry too much about our largest trading partner and 19.3 billion dollars of bilateral trading.

 

 

China isn't NZ's largest trading partner - they were our largest export market for a short period (dairy boom).  NZ has about $125 billion in bilateral trade with the free world. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1604807 5-Aug-2016 09:23
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China isn't NZ's largest trading partner - they were our largest export market for a short period (dairy boom).  NZ has about $125 billion in bilateral trade with the free world. 

 

  

 

 

 

 

That's a profoundly intellectually dishonest comparison. The discussion was between the US and China. And when people speak of trading partners and who's more important/not important etc, no one looks at the largest country and then say "Oh yeah, they aren't that important compared to the every other dollar of our overseas export". Well, duh.

 

And what a stunning surprise, the Treasury agrees with me on China being our largest trading partner. But you are apparently the expert. And the last available data set from the Treasury tells us that China took 22.2% of our total exports. But who cares, right? We still have the other 77.8% without them!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Fred99:

 

 

 

China isn't NZ's largest trading partner - they were our largest export market for a short period (dairy boom).  NZ has about $125 billion in bilateral trade with the free world. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your post was devalued totally by this rubbish "bilateral trade with the free world"





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  Reply # 1604823 5-Aug-2016 09:51
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Your post was devalued totally by this rubbish "bilateral trade with the free world"

 

 

Well spotted. The economic, moral and other fundamental disconnects exhibited by that poster is nothing short of astounding. China's increasing importance to this country's economy is abundantly clear in the eyes of anyone able to perform a basic Google search -- our exports to them and bilateral trade has been steadily increasing and hardly attributable to just a diary boom. And if some of the increases are attributable to a diary boom, so what? This country is still massively dependent on dairy commodity exports, which is usually first or second (alongside tourism) in terms of export value and has consistently been the case for a significant period. Apparently, in someone's view, this country can just miraculously perform an economic pivot and change these fundamentals within a day or two!

 

Then there are the moral disconnects. He apparently suffers from the kind of delusional thinking that equally affects the Dumpf and Bernie Sanders supporters on trade. In their magical world, globalisation should be reversed and we should close our doors/pivot away from so called "unfree" people/countries, nevermind the economic realities and nevermind international legal obligations (be it the bilateral kind, e.g. the China-NZ FTA, or the multilateral kind, e.g. WTO agreements). They also suffer from the moral weakness of failing to understand that as part of a world that took significant advantage of previous inequalities to rise to the top, severely curtailing trade with some of these "unfree" places or any other place perceived to be not quite playing by the rules will leave many of the poor in such developing countries destitute or worse. The way to advance human rights, achieving better quality in bilateral and multilateral trade, and to make things fairer for everyone is through having more engagement, more transparency, and talking like civilised adults. Not via pouting or arbitrary moralised divisions between us and them.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1604867 5-Aug-2016 10:36
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If you want to bring morals into this, some would argue that globalisation doesn't benefit the poor or workers at all, just big corporate interests. In fact, it makes things worse for ordinary people, whether they are in the 'free' world or not. Do people in poverty 'benefit' from jobs that pay starvation wages and force children into work? 

 

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Globalization/DoesGlobaliz_HelpPoor.html

 

 





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