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  Reply # 1610752 12-Aug-2016 15:02
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At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut, I have to wonder if Trump is not some kind of Democratic Manchurian Candidate, either on his own initiative or with the backing of others, who has very cleverly set out to destroy the Republicans as a party by winning the nomination and then becoming increasingly outrageous in his pronouncements. Today he flatly and repeatedly stated that both Hillary and Obama were the 'founders of ISIS'. Republicans are starting to fear that he will not only lose the election, but drag down their other candidates up for re-election, destroying their majority in Congress as well. If he is a Democratic saboteur, he is doing an absolutely brilliant job. Considering the things he has already said, what else can he possibly come up with in the ensuing months to the election?

 

 





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  Reply # 1610819 12-Aug-2016 16:41
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Rikkitic:

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut, I have to wonder if Trump is not some kind of Democratic Manchurian Candidate, either on his own initiative or with the backing of others, who has very cleverly set out to destroy the Republicans as a party by winning the nomination and then becoming increasingly outrageous in his pronouncements. Today he flatly and repeatedly stated that both Hillary and Obama were the 'founders of ISIS'. Republicans are starting to fear that he will not only lose the election, but drag down their other candidates up for re-election, destroying their majority in Congress as well. If he is a Democratic saboteur, he is doing an absolutely brilliant job. Considering the things he has already said, what else can he possibly come up with in the ensuing months to the election?


 



Good points. Any sane person could envisage he sabotaged the republicans. Or he and they are just plain dumb. Or he. was seen as the next big thing and screwed them. Either way it's a farce and he will lose. Did he run his campaign to shock America into voting for him? I can't see that as he has whitewashed a lot if the voters so I tend to believe your post. He is an idiot but he's not stupid

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1610836 12-Aug-2016 17:23
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I think trump has better things to do than to spend a whole year playing dumb gop destroyer


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  Reply # 1610837 12-Aug-2016 17:25
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Rikkitic:

 

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut, I have to wonder if Trump is not some kind of Democratic Manchurian Candidate, either on his own initiative or with the backing of others, who has very cleverly set out to destroy the Republicans as a party by winning the nomination and then becoming increasingly outrageous in his pronouncements. Today he flatly and repeatedly stated that both Hillary and Obama were the 'founders of ISIS'. Republicans are starting to fear that he will not only lose the election, but drag down their other candidates up for re-election, destroying their majority in Congress as well. If he is a Democratic saboteur, he is doing an absolutely brilliant job. Considering the things he has already said, what else can he possibly come up with in the ensuing months to the election?

 

 

Or ... Hanlon's razor?

 

"Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice"

 

With Donald Trump malice is more probable.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1610878 12-Aug-2016 18:31
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Does CNN have a video stream that we can access on election night ? Prefer app

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  Reply # 1610885 12-Aug-2016 18:53
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tdgeek: Does CNN have a video stream that we can access on election night ? Prefer app

 

CNN tends to be very possessive of its video streams. I have seen it on the odd streaming site, but I don't know if it is normally available outside the regular distribution network.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1613216 17-Aug-2016 13:13
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Idle thought: There is no way Drumph can win the election, but it is still not beyond the realm of possibility that Hillary could lose it. Some nut job could change history, or criminal malfeasance could emerge from the ongoing Republican attempts to probe the FBI investigation, or something cosmically improbable could occur, like Hillary being caught in bed with a 20 year-old intern. Who's to say?

 

If Drumph does win, there will be a mass exodus of political refugees from America, and a lot of them will want to come here. The question is: should we let them? They may seem harmless enough, but just look at the mess they have left behind. Do we really want them to do that here as well?

 

  





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If Drumpf should win, I think that accepting political refugees from the USA would lower the average IQ of the USA. Hard to know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing for the USA. Whether it would raise the average IQ of NZ residents, I'm not so sure. innocent

 

The smartest will leave before there is an actual mess. So, as a first easy selection criterion, we should stop accepting refugees when the mess becomes visible.

 

But there is the bigger question of whether they would do the same thing here. Is mess-making an inevitable part of the American psyche? We will need to keep a close eye on them, and at the first sight of Primaries or Conventions, out they go. Hopefully the Ozzies will be finished with Nauru by then.  I see now why John Key is so keen to expand the GCSB to keep an eye on NZ residents. I guess he must be smarter than he appears.


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  Reply # 1613453 17-Aug-2016 21:11
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tdgeek: He is an idiot but he's not stupid

 

Really? What proof do you have that he is not stupid?





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Having just returned from the US, I was surprised that almost everyone I spoke with regarded Clinton as less acceptable than Trump. She was widely described as a crook who was in league with Big Business etc whereas Trump was seen very much as his own man.

 

These were not Appalachian Hillbillies, by the way, but professionals and managers mostly.

 

To be honest, given the quality of most NZ politicians, we probably ought not to be throwing stones. 






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Geektastic:

 

Having just returned from the US, I was surprised that almost everyone I spoke with regarded Clinton as less acceptable than Trump. She was widely described as a crook who was in league with Big Business etc whereas Trump was seen very much as his own man.

 

These were not Appalachian Hillbillies, by the way, but professionals and managers mostly.

 

To be honest, given the quality of most NZ politicians, we probably ought not to be throwing stones. 

 

 

 

 

I don't doubt the dishonesty, shallowness of Hillary Clinton.

 

If the Americans vote for her, it will another 4 years of the same.

 

But, Trump presents all sorts of problems - some of them potentially world ending.

 

Trump wants to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.

 

That isn't happening. I can't see Mexico (or the rest of the World) standing for that.

 

He wants to round up and deport well over 10 million people.

 

That isn't going to happen - without massive cost and massive human rights violation.

 

Trump wants to know why the US can't use nuclear weapons (well documented). He also advocated arming Japan and Korea with nukes (no History lessons there obviously).

 

But, worst of all, advocating Saudis should have nuclear weapons is madness. They are ISIS lite. The Saudi version of Islam is the basis of ISIS and Al-Qaeda. How many weeks/months before ISIS would have those sort of weapons.

 

Trump says Obama created ISIS! How stupid is that?

 

Trump has said he wants to kill the families of terrorists. That is a war crime.

 

Trump wants to torture people.

 

...and the list goes on.

 

Less than 100 years ago, a fanatic/lunatic in Europe forced a World War.

 

But, before he was elected, he didn't propose anywhere near the same sort of things Trump has.

 

I can't believe that America will vote for this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1613508 17-Aug-2016 23:59
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Mexico probably couldn't afford the wall...

 

 

 

He'll build it and bluster and they won't pay for it. I can't say I blame him for wanting to build it. With such porous borders along the southern edge, I am amazed it has not been done already.

 

At the end of the day, Americans do not directly elect the President in any case, so I am sure it will be stitched up somehow to prevent the Uberisation of US politics. Too many vested interests to allow an outsider to win.






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Geektastic:

 

Mexico probably couldn't afford the wall...

 

 

 

He'll build it and bluster and they won't pay for it. I can't say I blame him for wanting to build it. With such porous borders along the southern edge, I am amazed it has not been done already.

 

At the end of the day, Americans do not directly elect the President in any case, so I am sure it will be stitched up somehow to prevent the Uberisation of US politics. Too many vested interests to allow an outsider to win.

 

 

 

 

Personally, I couldn't give crap about the wall.

 

It is things like nuclear war and mass injustice that worries me more.

 

I think his supporters can flip those sort of things into the background.

 

Besides, he can't build it anyway. It will cost way too much for the US Govt.

 

How much BS can actually be believed?

 

I think a lot (maybe most) will believe almost anything.

 

But, this is probably one of the best lies ever.


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Geektastic:

 

Having just returned from the US, I was surprised that almost everyone I spoke with regarded Clinton as less acceptable than Trump. She was widely described as a crook who was in league with Big Business etc whereas Trump was seen very much as his own man.

 

 

 

 

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I think trump has better things to do than to spend a whole year playing dumb gop destroyer



Trump seems to regard his "fortune" as real currency multiplied by how much publicity he's getting. He wouldn't think anything putting the Trump name out there was a waste of time.

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